Comments on: Calling Karl Malone’s Elbows

By: Stanton Huntington

Stanton Huntington — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:30:49 +0000

JR, Tim – Go to your respective corners before I have to go Enforcer on you both

Tim and only Tim – I thought about Araujo as I wrote (if you can call it that) and I came to the conclusion that while he would be considered last year’s Enforcer it was probably more to his being out of control than anything. You are right though, out of control or under control, Araujo was as close to an Enforcer as the Jazz had and I think opposing players shied away from him. (Or by, “No one wanted to mess with him” did you mean that no team wanted to hire him?) Now that Araujo’s gone who will it be? And by the way, referring to Collins as a pest made me chuckle, which I appreciate.

Megan – Agreed. An effective Enforcer doesn’t just commit hard fouls, only when necessary. I’d argue that Danny Fortson (and Araujo too) is somewhat ineffective as an Enforcer because he only commits hard fouls. Malone was effective because he logged minutes, scored points, and then once in a while, he’d lay the wood. The uncertainty adds a whole different aspect to an opposing player’s mindset.

By: J R Stewart

J R Stewart — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:10:53 +0000

Tim:
You missed my tongue being firmly planted in my cheek.

Just because Jeff Van Gundy called them the “Bully Boys” is laughable. Who knows what he was thinking?

It was a joke!
Jazzaholic

By: Tim Ormond

Tim Ormond — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:17:13 +0000

Stanton – We had that guy last year in Araujo. No one wanted to mess with him.

JR- I have to disagree. Collins is not tough. He knows how to flop and play with in a system, but he is not agressive at all for his size. He is more of a “pest” than an enforcer.

By: Megan

Megan — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:07:31 +0000

I find myself on middle ground here. I think you need an enforcer, but part of the power of the enforcer is that he chooses his moments. He does not just react every time he sees mistreatment. He reacts when the need arises not just when he feels vindictive. When the enforcer acts, you know you went too far.

By: Stanton Huntington

Stanton Huntington — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:42:32 +0000

JT – You’re right but you’re oh so wrong. You send a message to your opposition when you dominate a game. But it is rare that you dominate a game (a playoff game in particular) without an element of physicality. Once in a while the Enforcer crosses over and in this NBA era will get a flagrant foul, a fine or a suspension. But as long arm larry says, you put a little fear in your opponents. The potential of getting fouled hard certainly looms in the mind of some opposing players. Also, I don’t actually advocate hospitalizing guys, I included that little nugget about Malone because I thought it was interesting.

Tim – (1) Kurt Rambis had the best eyewear in the whole of the NBA and the beauty of it was, nobody hits a guy with glasses so he was practically invincible. (2) I agree the Jazz aren’t without toughness. Millsap and Williams, yes. And I wouldn’t argue that Harpring has better-than-average toughness on the offensive end. In fact, I think the Jazz have a League-wide reputation as an overall tough team, but I’d like to see a guy in the 15th roster spot that opposing fans see and think, “I hope our guy doesn’t get on the wrong end of that guy.”

By: J R Stewart

J R Stewart — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:17:57 +0000

What do you mean?
The Jazz ARE the “bully boys!”
That’s what Jeff Van Gundy said just before the playoffs started?
Matt Harpring, Paul Millsap, Jarron Collins and Gordan Giricek are the BULLY BOYS!
You can just see them froth at the mouth before they go into the game, just looking for someone the BULLY.
Thanks to Coach Van Gundy for one of the all time great quotes.
Jazzaholic

By: Tim Ormond

Tim Ormond — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:10:50 +0000

Two quick points about enforcers:

1- The league has changed. There are no more great rivalries like there were in the 80’s and 90’s. I mean can you imagine if a rookie would have done the same thing to Magic back in the day……Kurt Rambis would have been throwing hay-makers left and right.

2- Even though the Jazz don’t have a “enforcer” on the team, I still think they have some tough guys. Harpring, Milsap and Williams are all very physical.

By: JT

JT — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:02:37 +0000

The “Enforcer”? Hahaha Malone knocked them out cause he violently swung his elbows. Not because Isiah Thomas took out Stockton and Malone wanted to back him up. In today’s basketball, you don’t need an “Enforcer.” Why would you want to play dirty like that? To prove a point? Pass. You prove your point my dominating the game. By playing smart and not let your foolish emotions get you a technical and a hefty fine by the NBA along with a suspension. If you want to get back at DJ Strawberry……you play the game. Why play dirty? The Jazz aren’t the Warriors. The Spurs. The Pistons. Boozer isn’t Malone. Boozer isn’t Rasheed Wallace. Williams isn’t Baron Davis. Williams isn’t Bruce Bowen. If you want to get back at a dirty team, you play the game with class. You throw it down over the top of DJ. You play as a team and win the game. Having an “Enforcer” is the lamest thing next to Malone himself. If you have ever played sports, you always play by this guideline. “Don’t get mad. Get even.”

By: "long arm larry" christopherson

"long arm larry" christopherson — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:59:15 +0000

It is so good to see that others are realizing the importance of the Enforcer. Elite level sports are interesting because each team has the ability to compete day in and day out because all of the players (regardless of contract size or hype) have the ability to play at an elite level. This being said there are only two things that can really separate the winning teams from the rest: (1) a sense of team and (2) fear in their opponents. Nothing accomplishes both of these goals faster than a hard, well-deserved foul. If Boozer had stepped up and “respectfully knocked the headband off” DJ’s head the other night it would have sent a message. A message to the Jazz that they are a ‘team’ and that they have each others backs. A message to the league that hard fouls on the Jazz will be gladly and promptly returned. And a message to Jazz fans that the Enforcer is not dead …