Joe on December 19, 2007 said:

Great blog Cameron! My dad and I went to all the Jazz home games in the 90’s, because we were fortunate enough to have season tickets. People took Stockton and Malone for granted so much it makes me sick. They are probably the two most underrated players in sports history. We went to youtube on Monday and watched some of the highlight films of those two and greatness is the only word that can describe them. As Jazz fans, we should be thanking God we got to have two of the top 15 greatest players ever play here for so long!

As for Stockton’s records, I don’t think they will ever be broken. Although, I disagree that Nash is his biggest threat because he just got to late of a start to come close to it. He would have to play at this level until his mid to late 40’s to break it. Anyone that’s a threat is going to be a player like Deron or (I hate to say this but..) Chris Paul. Someone who gets right into their careers and might play 15 years, which would still only make them 37/38.. bottom line though, I think they are records that are going to stand for a long long time.

Joe

Bret on December 20, 2007 said:

I can’t agree more. Career records are about consistency and durability. I don’t think either record will be broken in my lifetime.

As far as the assist record goes, Nash has no chance. CPaul? Not durable enough so far. Dwill? Don’t see it happening unless the Jazz get another 17 – 20 ppg guy. You already see Deron’s assists per game going down as he scores more.

There isn’t anyone else even in the running playing in the NBA today…

Yep, Stockton was a special player in a special circumstance – and I’m happy to have been living in Utah during his time on the court to see history being made and records being shattered… records that will stand for a long, long time. It was a beautiful thing.

kap on December 20, 2007 said:

Quit living in the past……….Stockton don’t work here anymore!!

Horris on December 21, 2007 said:

Don’t work here, some respect you have for the guy! His mark is all over the Jazz franchise. It’s people like yourself that enjoy watching THUG paradise out there on the floor. Probably just some punk nose kid that cares about one thing, video games. Stockton is classic and unbeatable when it comes to stats. Eat it!

Dale on December 21, 2007 said:

well yes the 2 were great but dont forget Hornaczk. im still looking for replacements to my outstanding JAZZ players i think we have found some good players that THE COACH will make into great players! i only regreat that i dont get to watch the games over here in Kuwait but next season i will be at the tube for every game and go to see them beat Atlanta in ‘08 SEMPER FI Dale

Roberto on December 21, 2007 said:

Simply the most unselfish player of all History. His passing skills were outstanding, and I am pretty sure that those records will be intact for a long time. There´s not a player nowadays that can be capable of breaking them. Let´s see what the future brings.

Nathan on December 21, 2007 said:

Stockton was a great point guard but will never get the credit he deserves since he never won a championship. I know that its not right but its the truth just compare Magic to Stockton and just about everybody would say Magic is the better point guard

Jimpsy on December 21, 2007 said:

John Stockton:the best there is,the best there was,the best there ever will be…

Jason on December 21, 2007 said:

Stockton’s assist mark will stand forever, mark my words. Simply put there will never be another player like him, although I like to watch Steve Nash play, and see some similarities of toughness. Stockton didn’t ever chip teeth or bloody his nose quiet so much, but then again he had Malone to keep other players in line.

As far as Magic being a better point gaurd than Stockton. Ask Magic who the better pure point gaurd is…… I have heard it from him and he says STOCKTON.

DWill is talented but the problem with him is he needs a good dose of Humility. He is a preMadonna, I don’t think he will last long in Utah, he wants the attention and money that Salt Lake City will never bring. I wouldn’t be suprised to see him skip town or demand a trade within the next Three years if the Jazz don’t make it to the Finals really soon. I think he is ultra talented I just think his problem is he knows it.

Stockton was humble he wasn’t drafted high he had to spend a few years coming of the bench to Ricky Green. I only hope that DWill can be half the man that Stockton was.

Zach on December 21, 2007 said:

It is simple. Look at what the jazz have been doing these last 10 games. Darron and Booz are almost hurting us more then they are helping (at least in the 4th Quarter). I never remember a time when Karl and John were playing that we had a slump like this. I like Williams and Booz but they have go to be able to step up to the plate and deliver in the clutch, like they did last year.
I will tell you that when Karl retired he was a little washed up. I personaly think that John could have been effective for another 5 years. The way that the guy played was amazing. He made being a point gard look simple. Assists for him came naturaly. There will never be a pure point gaurd as good as him. Not only that but the guy really could score at will, he just chose to be unselfish.

Alex on December 21, 2007 said:

John Stockton is by far the best point guard EVER to play in the NBA. You may argue Magic Johnson but he also played every other position not just point guard.

STOCKTON HILLARY 2008

Mark Gardner on December 21, 2007 said:

I would like to commend Jerry Sloan on a job well done with the players that he has to work with. I have a question for Mr. Sloan: Why do you insist on starting Jaron Collins while Memo is injured? Also with no disrespect to coach Sloan Jaron Collins Is the next Greg Ostertag. With the pathetic numbers and obvious lack of ball handling, shooting, defending, boxing out, jumping, passing, and aggressive skills it takes to be a center on one of the best teams in the league. This complete replica of the worst player ever (Greg Ostertag) needs to be cut, traded or sent down to the d-league. Please dont let him even warm the bench. Give Fesenko a chance and you will see that being better than Collins is nothing to brag about.

Pace on December 21, 2007 said:

Stockton is the best point guard of all time, hands down. The game has changed too much since his time to allow for anyone to even think about breaking his assist record. “Fake to the man in the open and shoot” seems to be too much the mindset of these kids now. Unless the game is reformed from the isolation and run n gun mentalities to the half court game it used to be, you can bet your britches the record will stand.

Rogelio on December 21, 2007 said:

I moved to Utah from los Angeles right after the Magic Johnson era. Needless to say I was Laker’s fan. As a matter of fact I hated Utah. They had eliminated the LA Lakers when they had the best record in the NBA.
It took me a couple of years of following the Jazz very close to realize what kind of work they were doing. Stockton in the warm up of every game he always remind me of a very serious, and very focus boxer before a fight.
Without any doubt he is and will be the best ever at his position. He and Malone are the example of a player that represent Sloan system. Simple and fundamental. work hard and be ready to play. Pat Riley would would laugh at his problems with Antoine Walker with his 20 some fat percent and Malone’s .04 % Stockton developt some iron legs by biking in the summer. WORK HARD AND BE READY!!!

I love magic, Couzy, Payton etc. but still I believe Stockton is the best ever!!!

Andy on December 21, 2007 said:

john Stockton is probably the most overrated point guard. 0 championships. I hate it that I have to walk on john Stockton drive everyday. He didn’t free the slaves or cure cancer. He played sub par ball on a sub par team in a sub par division.

Pace on December 21, 2007 said:

Andy, please name a pure point guard who played better ball and was more durable than John Stockton. I would be interested to find out who you would put here, and don’t say Steve Nash because he also does not have any championships. Guess Steve shouldn’t have those two MVP trophies in his trophy case huh?

Andy on December 21, 2007 said:

Sam cassell. Lover boy

Pace on December 21, 2007 said:

Sam Cassell… Yes, he did win a couple championships with the Rockets. But he has bounced around his whole career. Clyde Drexler and Hakeem held that team together. Where is Sam Cassell now? Is his name in any record books?

Andy on December 21, 2007 said:

records don’t mean jack if you don’t win. And cassell led the clippers to their best record in 31 years

Nathan on December 21, 2007 said:

Sam Cassell??? Thanks for the laugh andy!!!! If you compare the two the only category Cassell wins is 2 championships and missed games. Stockton out does Cassell in assists, steals, and even points. Cassell is a good player but doesn’t even come CLOSE to being as good as Stockton or Magic Johnson for that matter.

linda pauly on December 21, 2007 said:

I am originally from Washington so watching John Stockton play was like cheering for the home team. I am not a “sports nut”…I can watch a good movie and be content…however when you watched Stockton play..he really liked what he was doing. His past record proved that. He was there to give the game all that he could contribute..not just for a pay check. He and Karl and Hornecek were proobably three of the best players on a ball court..because they played as a team. We need more players like them.

Pace on December 21, 2007 said:

Well, thanks for your expert input Andy, we appreciate your admiration of Sam Cassell. Sadly, this blog has been about the great John Stockton and it is unfortunate that you don’t have enough knowledge of the game of basketball to appreciate a great player. One of the best actually, and wherever Sam Cassell is now, I’m sure he appreciates the lone man who puts him above John Stockton but he would also disagree with you on this subject. John Stockton is the best point guard to ever play the game and nobody will ever fill his shoes and play the game with the mentality and heart that he played with every night he stepped on the court.

Jeremy on December 21, 2007 said:

This was a very interesting subject to read about. John Stockton was the best point guard of all time hands down. Sam Cassell and Magic don’t come close as to what a pure point guard represents. If you were to come up with a definition of Point Guard in Basketball, it should say John Stockton (watch his highlights). Steve Nash is good but will never come close to Stock’s records. Not even if he played for 10 more years. DWill is good but still has a long long ways to go with his game. I just hope he realizes this and isn’t to stubborn to play the ways some of these guys do now days. It’s just literally amazing the amount of games missed by John and Karl. I think Karl missed more due to suspensions than of injuries. Check this out, by I think this is true. Stock’s 18 missed were at the first of the 97′-98′ season after he had knee surgery from playing some pick up ball during the offseason. They went to the Finals that year for the second time. Seemed like yesterday all of that. He was great. That’s why my first boys middle name is Stockton. I loved him and he was a great role model. Thanks

Matt on December 21, 2007 said:

John Stockton’s record will never be touched. His numbers are too great.

Andy on December 21, 2007 said:

Get off Stockton. He did nothing but lose

marty on December 22, 2007 said:

Who are the next active players that even could come close to breaking John’s records? I think that there is not one as far as i know, but if anyone knows any please let me know.

mesa on December 22, 2007 said:

ok the ANDY kid is annoying. shut up ok! A POINT GUARDS JOB IS TO ASSIST OTHER PLAYERS AND MAKE THEM BETTER and thats exactly what stocton did. sam cassell better? come on get it through your head and ill write it in big letters for u since u dont seem to understand JOHN STOCKTON IS A BETTER POINT GUARD THAN SAM CASSELL NO DOUBT! a point guards job is to assist other players and make them better and u aint a point guard unless u average ATLEAST 6 APG which is what sam cassel averages through out his career.he averages the LEAST amout u need, to be a pointguard. stocton averages 10 APG in his carrer.i dont care how many championships sam has this whole blog was about stockton being #1 in assists and steals and nobody is gonna beat that. u got it ANDY? good

Tony Tang on December 22, 2007 said:

Hi Andy, can you suggest anyone in the NBA can break the record of John Stockton? I mean in both assist, steal and total game played in career?

But the key point that I learn from him is UNSELFISH.

I come from Hong Kong. The first time I watch NBA was 2007 NBA final. I cannot forget how well and how unselfish he is. I learn assisting others to finish scoring is very happy. He teaches me – what should a pure point guard do during the game!!

keneth on December 22, 2007 said:

stocktons record will live forever and im sure no one can outplay him in terms of passing and stealing..even though he did not win a championship he still one of the game’s best ever player and it’s a shame for someone or very disrespectful if you will compare him to the pg now a days

Joe on December 22, 2007 said:

Hey all…We have to stop giving this Andy guy any attention. He is just trying to get everyone fired up which he is doing a good job of but just let him run his mouth. Let’s not waste our breath (so to speak) on arguing Stockton vs. Cassel. .. Its a joke.

Its nice to see that other than a few crazies, Stockton is being appreciated!

eddie q on December 22, 2007 said:

I’m from NY and the first game I ever watched that got me into basketball was UTAH v.s. Lakers during the regular season (the first yr Utah went to the finals) I fell in love with Utah and the NBA. Those precious words did for me…”stockton to malone” They are and always will be my favorite players and NO stock’s records will never be broken unless someone comes in the NBA with a mindset from the beginneing to break john stocktons record. which won’t happen cause everyone wants the chip. Long live the triple threat of Stockton,Malone and Jeff. Sloan been should’ve gotten coach of the year and now I’m afraid it will be too late.

Dave on December 22, 2007 said:

John Stockton was without question, one of a kind. He was born a leader. He made every single person around him better. I mean look at some of the guys he played with that he actually turned into decent players….Adam Keefe, Chris Morris, Shandon Anderson, even Bryon Russell. It’s funny to see some of the guys Stock played with who left the Jazz and became a complete nobody. Proof that Stockton makes average players, GREAT players. I was in 8th and 9th grade when the Jazz went to the finals. Needless to say, John Stockton was and still remains one of my heroes. So much so, that I recently named my son “Stockton”. John Stockton was an incredible human being and a perfect example of how a point guard should play the game.

pEmPA#23Jazz on December 22, 2007 said:

Andy what are you talking about, like John stockton to Sam Cassell, ahaahha man ask anyone in the NBA, theyd say john no doubt. Sam cassell won cuz he had good players on his team. duh. stockton is the best, if you like cassell, then write a blog about him. YOU CANT!! cuz he didnt break any records, he didnt do crap, except win 2 championships, everyone in the NBA wins at least 2 championship. john and malone where about to win, but they had to face the BUlls the best team in the 90’s. look at their roster and then look at ours. they had jordan they had rodman, pippen, you cant match up to that!

Derrick Daye on December 22, 2007 said:

While we wait for Andy’s ‘Manute Bol was better than Wilt Chamberlain’ argument, can anybody answer Tony’s question of what active player even has a shot at breaking the Stockton records? I’m just as curious.

Thanks,

Derrick

Anthony Padilla on December 22, 2007 said:

When growing up in Utah watching the games either on TV or at the Delta Center, now the Energy Solutions Arena, was amazing. John Stockton and the Utah Jazz during that time were remarkable and I know this is about Stockton. I don’t think any point guard in today’s time of basketball will ever have a chance. I can only think one way that his record will be broken…if the person was unselfish as Stockton was. I miss the Stockton and Malone days, but now its time for Boozer and Williams to take charge and deliver to the fans an NBA Finals trip!!! The Utah Jazz have a lot of talent and I believe they can do it.

Alex Zinkant on December 22, 2007 said:

Stock alone, the best ever played in nba-history.

pick n` roll forever.

Andy on December 22, 2007 said:

I’ll give you a better point guard. Oscar robertson. In one season he averaged a triple double. Even on espn they have stockton ranked fourth behind magic, bad boy thomas and the great oscar so stop kissing the floor that john once walked on.

Zack on December 22, 2007 said:

Stockton to Malone…makes me shiver when i say it.

Tim on December 22, 2007 said:

So Andy
Where exactly is Sam Cassell on that list that ESPN published???

Pick and Roll - 12 to 32 on December 23, 2007 said:

The best point guard in my Book…My Idol John Stockton.

The Perfect Court General…..reminds me of the days when Sir Stockton would sacrifice his body to set a pick for his teammates….now thats a Guard who has guts…..not seeing that play lately in the NBA….

Still can clearly see that play John made in a Fastbreak…no video to show, but thats just pinpoint passing ^_^

The record will stay….and I really doubt that there’s any player today that will break it.

GO JOHN STOCKTON #12…You’re the Best!!

Edwardo on December 23, 2007 said:

For all of you crackin’ on D-will, cheer for Denver you losers we don’t need fans like you. He’s one of the most humble superstars in the NBA. Fans getting down on players, calling them primadona’s, and saying that they will want out of SLC and demand a trade is what makes them sick of a place.
He isn’t John Stockton and never will be, everyone has already said that Stock was the best ever, so stop the comparisons already.
As lucky as we were to have Stock and Malone for all those years, we are also lucky to have the young, talented nucleus that we have right now.
Just mime it haters, ’cause nobody’s listening anyways!

John on December 23, 2007 said:

Jason Kidd and Steve Nash are the only guys currently in the NBA that can even remotely think about breaking Stockton’s records. But even they will never touch them. Kidd is 34, Nash 33. Unless they both play until they’re 40, while keeping up what they average now, it’s very unlikely they ever break them.

Travis Scherick on December 23, 2007 said:

I only have a couple of quick comments. I love the Jazz. I dont think that Stocktons assists will ever be broken. Stockton was lucky to have a scorer like Karl Malone to get his assists. Karl Malone is 2nd in All Time scoring. So they had one another to help each other with those accompilishments. And It is so so rare these days to have two players play together that long. So It will never happen again

Kamus on December 23, 2007 said:

John Stockton is the best player I seen in my life and my fauvorite, too.
Greetings from Argentina =)

Gergely R on December 23, 2007 said:

Stockton is the gratest pg in the world, and his records is unbreakable… I remember Stockton and Malone were the best team players and twin.
I am sure that nobody can reach these records, and I hope so…

jr from the philippines on December 23, 2007 said:

john stockton’s assists and steals record will remain for eternity. Nobody in the NBA right now can break the record of the GREAT john stockton. His passing skills, defense and knowledge of the game are incomparable. it was though unfortunate that he did not win nba championship, but stockton made UTAH as one of the toughest place ever to play ball in the nba. Long Live JOHN STOCKTON!

Taylor on December 23, 2007 said:

I will never forget what great memories I have of John Stockton. He is the greatest pure point guard to ever play the game. Records maybe be reachable but lets be honest here, consistency is so very hard to find in the league. John put his heart into the game. He didn’t play for money, I am sure it was a nice incentive, but I have read in the news in the past that he didn’t originally have a manager. He said “Pay me what you want and I will play”. In my mind that is a person who deserves some recognition. Stockton didn’t care about recognition though, he play for the game. There should be more players in the league that have that same mentality.

Stockton was the end of true fundamental basketball era. He may not have been the greatest guard to play the game, however I will settle with the greatest Pure Point Guard to ever play the game. He played amazing defense as well as great offense. He will be in my heart forever.

LONG LIVE THE GREATEST PURE POINT GUARD TO EVER PLAY THE GAME!!! John Stockton

ranj on December 24, 2007 said:

I fell in love in basketball because of watching STOCKTON!!!very Focused,humble…THE BEST!!!JAZZ will win THEIR 1st championship this season…MARK MY WORD!!!-D’ JAZZ’S GREATEST FAN!!!

UtahJazzQueen! on December 24, 2007 said:

Stockton is the best of all time! I too fell in love because of Stockton. He is the best ever to play the game. No doubt. BTW the Jazz are gonna pull through this rough time. NBA champs for sure!! GOO JAZZZ!

Maurizio on December 25, 2007 said:

Hi,
I write from Italy and I say that John is the best player of history. I hope his records will stand for more time but…what is important is that I have dreamed for years only thanks John!!!

Bye bye from Italy
Maurizio

J-red on December 25, 2007 said:

Well i’ve been a huge jazz fan ever since i went to my first NBA game at the old Salt Palace when the Jazz played Larry Bird and the Celtics, the Jazz won in triple overtime, an amazing game!!! Stockton will always be my favorite player of all time. His unselfishness and humility, combined with his incredible skill and heart make him an icon that all these young players today could learn SO much from!! Unfortunately I beleive that what drives most players today is the all mighty dollar $$$$. Too many players are concerned about how many cars they have rather than their fieldgoal %. AND the fact that players never stay in one place long enough, they give up to easy. Stockon and Malone played together for 18 seasons!!!! There are not two players on any team in the league even CLOSE to that! These two guys probably knew when the other was about to blink! repetition brings perfection, thats how they did it.

I too think we are very lucky to have Boozer and Williams. I truly beleive that if they stay together that we may soon see another dominant duo. Lets all cross our fingers and hope they can be as consistent as Stockon and Malone.

Finally, please lets not forget Coach Sloan! He IS the reason the Jazz have had so much success. I don’t beleive any coach has done as much with what they’ve been given as Coach Sloan has. Utah is lucky to have him!

Onetuffride on December 25, 2007 said:

Andy, Oh Andy!

I just have one thing to say about the John Stockton vs Sam Cassell. John is the best point guard to have ever ever played the game at that position. Can you say “Hall of Fame”!!! You can’t say that about Sam Cassell. He will never see his name in the Hall of Fame!. But John Stockton will have he his name forever and ever in the Hall of Fame as the best point guard to ever have played the game!

Pick and Roll - 12 to 32 on December 25, 2007 said:

If I remember it right…one portion of the Fantasy Hoops show is named Stockton Star….thats recognition to a Great NBA player!

Francis on December 26, 2007 said:

John Stockton is the most unselfish player. He is also a clutch player when the need arises. The records he has set will last for a long time. The game and the players are now evolving. We see more of the versatile players who can play different positions. This makes the records he has set hard to beat. The stats of Nash, Kidd and even the younger point guards are no where close.

Yes i agree that they are often overlooked by fans because their style of play is very conservative. Not a lot of flare, fancy or flash. Stockton’s throwback style are not as appealing to the fans all over the world especially when everyone was trying to immitate Jordan. I’m from the Philippines and i’m proud to say that i am one of the few Jazz fans here. I still believe that Stockton is still the best point guard to ever play the game.

Lee on December 26, 2007 said:

There will never ever be another ball player like John Stockton. As a matter of fact, I never ever thought there would be someone like John. Simple amazing! My hats off to you old buddy!

Sam Cassell, not to be men or ignorant, but we always referred him as the alien. He had to be the ugliest person I ever saw! Not sure what planet he came from.

Ted on December 26, 2007 said:

John was the best (pure) point gaurd to ever play the game. I agree with the guy about Jeron Collins. Don’t understand why the Jazz have kept him around so long. Fesenko, and as far as I’m concerned Arujo are both better and the Jazz should be letting Fesenko play to develop him and should have played Arujo to develop him instead of playing Collins of course all of this is because the Jazz are keeping Sloan. As long as Sloan is the coach the Jazz will never win a championship. He has driven all kinds of good players away with his egotisical attitude as a coach. He is now driving another one away, their best shooter and man do they need shooters. Every time the Jazz get beat we are out scored at the 3 point line and he’s pushing out the best shooter we had.

LBDII on December 27, 2007 said:

I disagree with the fact that Dwill will leave Utah any time soon, I mean he knows that he has it great there he isnt stupid. He is with a building team and knows it.

Pick and Roll - 12 to 32 on December 27, 2007 said:

No Offense Ted, but I think that’s a rude thing to say to Sir Jerry Sloan, he’s one of the greatest coaches and a very dedicated person at that….

He makes the UTAH JAZZ Team a contender almost every Year after the post Stockton-Malone Era….

The back to back appearance of the Jazz during Stockton to Malone Era was all because of Him….wish they had a better center back then….

Nice to see Fellow Pinoys who Idolize John Stockton #12

Basketball John on December 27, 2007 said:

It’s not falling any time soon. Here’s the leaderboard (with Mr. Cassell coming in at #30): http://www.nba.com/statistics/default_all_time_leaders/AllTimeLeadersASTQuery.html?topic=4&stat=11

There are only four active players that I see, Kidd, Nash, Marbury, and Cassell. Throw out Marbury and Sammy.

The only ones with serious hopes are Nash and Kidd. Kidd would need about 742 more games, or a little over 9 seasons, playing at his current average (9.2 a game), to break Stockton’s record. Kidd will be 35 in a few months, and I don’t seem him playing many more years.

Nash, at his current lifetime average clip of 7.7 would have to play in 1,243 more games, or roughly 15 more seasons. Even if he finishes out his career with his last four-year average of 11.5, he still needs to play about another ten years.

Simply put, Stockton’s longevity and durability will ensure that the record won’t be touched for a while.

Brett on December 28, 2007 said:

Hey Andy, sorry to say but your a hater and ignorant!!! Sam Cassell couldnt tie Johns shoe laces. John was the Best PURE point guard ever hands down, stat wise, longevity wise, productivity wise, no argument. He never got the credit he deserved and neither did the Jazz because of the small market they are in. Just cause your a hater dont spread your ingorance here, if you do, be prepared for rebuttles, Stockton is the reason we had the records we did for so many years. Malone too and Hornacek, but without the point that John played so well, we wouldnt have done squat!!!!

Will Richardson on December 28, 2007 said:

John Stockton was a good player. He never wanted any attention from the Media.If he knew all this people were blogging about him he would want everyone to stop. Stockton’s records probably will never be broken but if they are some day wherever Stockton is at a the time he will probably just smile and say that was fun while it lasted.

Gale on December 28, 2007 said:

COME ON ANDY GET A CLUE. STOCK is the greatest PG of all time, HANDS DOWN. Its a certain fact that you know very little about basketball in general. LEARN THE GAME BEFORE YOU MAKE COMMENTS LIKE THAT

John on December 28, 2007 said:

Hey Andy,

More attention for you man. Just curious, but what did you ever do that makes your opinion matter? Where are you on the list of all time point guards? Where did you coach? Where did you play? Where did you put in time and effort as a journalist? Just curious, because if you aren’t a journalist, coach, or player, what makes your opinion worth anything? I mean, you might as well be telling us about brain surgery or rocket science. You haven’t done anything with your life to really know anything about those things either. I’m not hatin’ man. I’m just curious to know what it is about you that makes your opinion worth anything. As far as I can tell, all you got is a mouth and a desperate need for attention because you never did anything constructive with your life to get attention. So maybe John Stockton wasn’t the greatest point guard ever. Maybe. So what? He was great. He was ALL TIME great. He’s legitimately in the discussion of the greatEST all time. And you pass judgement like it matters. You? You’re nothing. Sooner you realize that, the sooner maybe you get on with your life and do something that does matter. Instead of running your mouth while you pretend to matter.

Jared on December 28, 2007 said:

Seriously, John Stockton vs. Sam Cassell? Dude Andy, you’re a joke. You might as well compare Michael Jordan to Jarron Collins while you’re at it, or hey maybe Hakeem Olajuwon to Greg Ostertag…Geez, get a clue! No-one was going to stop Jordan’s storybook Bulls…The fact that the Jazz even came close is a testament to the glory that is John Stockton. Long live John Stockton, long live the Utah Jazz! NBA Champs, ‘08!!!

John on December 28, 2007 said:

Will Stockton’s records stand forever? Who knows. Magic Johnson holds the career record for apg at 10.5. Assuming someone could get to 11apg, it would take at least 17 full seasons to break Stockton’s record. There may be someone… Brandon Roy for example… who will play 17-18 years… and possibly he, or someone like him will start churning out assists at a Stockton-esqe pace. But even if he, or someone like him does… and can keep it up for a very very very very long time, it would still be another 17 years before they get close to Stock’s assist record.

As for the steal’s record. Similar argument, but less time. Chris Paul’s spg average is high enough that theoretically he could break Stockton’s steals record. But Paul already missed more games last season that Stockton did his entire career. To assume he’s suddenly going to become an iron man and play the next 1200 games (15 seasons) while averaging 3 steals per game the entire time is… a bit of a long shot.

So… Stockton’s records may fall. Maybe to someone already in the league. But no sooner than 15 to 20 years at the soonest.

Try to remember boys and girls, most of the players that last more than 15 years in the league are centers and power forwards. Big bodies with long arms that can still effect a game because they never depended on lightning quickness. A center loses a step and he’s still 7 feet tall with a 7 foot wingspan. A point guard loses a step and he’s replaced by a first round draft choice or a free agent. Look at Gary Payton. He’s got 4 more season before he’s played as many games as Stockton, and he hasn’t been good for like 6 seasons. And Payton is one of the exceptions ot the rule for longevity. Look at Zeke (Isaiah Thomas). One of the guys who might be considered “better” than Stockton. Never had the kind of stats Stock did, and didn’t last half as long. If Zeke couldn’t do it, the guy who does is going to have to be something really special. It could be another 10-15 years before another point guard comes into the league who even plays for 20 seasons, much less produces for 20 seasons. Remember, to play 20 seasons a guy would be at least 39 before he packed it in. To still be averaging 8 apg at 38 or 39? Who else EVER did that?

Will the records ever be broken? Who’s to say? But if somebody better than Magic Johnson was already in the league, it would still take them another 17 years to get it done. So it isn’t happening any time soon.

Chris R. on December 29, 2007 said:

I really like this thread. I was actually just thinking about this recently, when Jason Kidd moved up to number six on the all time assists board. I saw the leaders, and the thought occurred to me: “How many more assists does he have to make to move from six to five, five to four, etc. Heres the spacing between the rungs on the ladder:

6th to 5th- 77
5-4- 826
4-3- 254
3-2- 193
2-1- 5,472

John Stockton has a pretty big lead over the rest of the pack. I’m going to use Jason Kidd, because he’s the closest active player. I’m not saying anything bad about Jason Kidd here- I think he’s a great player. I’m just trying to demonstrate John Stockton’s commanding lead. Using Jason Kidd’s per game average of 9.2 (and assuming that it stays the same and that he doesn’t miss any games in the future) you figure that he’ll take number 5 in about 8 or 9 games. He keeps that production up for the rest of this season and two more, and he’ll have moved up to 4, 3, and he’ll be 2nd on the all time list by 472 assists…and he’ll still have nearly 5,000 assists to go. (A little less I suppose if you count post-season…but I’m not claiming this to be a perfect projection) Assuming again that he’ll keep up that production and not get injured (which is a pretty big assumption, since we’re now talking three years away) it would take him 6.5 seasons to take the number 1 spot. (Remember, it will have taken him 3 seasons to go from number 7 to number 2).

What we have in John Stockton’s all-time assists mark is what could be called a statistical outlier, a data point that is so far away from everything else that a statistical analysis trying to figure out the norm would completely disregard his mark because it was so unnatural. (Honestly, I don’t really remember what constitutes an outlier from my High-School Statistics class. But if you average the all time assists from numbers 2,3, 4, and 5 the average is 9,865.75. If you include John Stockton and let it pull up the average, it becomes 11,053.8. So John Stockton single-handedly brings the average above any of the other top-five’s actual mark. In my mind that’s an outlier.)

In conclusion, I don’t see anybody beating it. Eventually someone could, never say never, especially when it comes to sporting accomplishments… but I wouldn’t be surprised if I died (in sixty years or so), and John Stockton was still at the top.

Well, if you’ve gotten to the end of the post. You have my thanks and congratulations. I hope that my presentation of these numbers was at least comprehensible.

P.S. I don’t think Deron is a prima-dona, and I don’t think he’ll want to bolt soon. I can see a pretty good nucleus for a long time with him, Boozer, and A.K. Fesenko looks promising. I’m very excited about the Korver trade.

Die Hard Jazz Fan Forever
Chris

loverboy on December 29, 2007 said:

i think andy is my new hero. he got a rise out of everyone and is just sitting in front of his computer laughing that people took him seriously and are all getting pissed. Thanks andy i’ve enjoyed reading these comments.

One thing i find interesting about jon stockton is he had a two year span averageing 17 points and 14 assits. had he played the same amount of years as majic or should i say if magic would have hung around longer than 13 years his averages would have gone down with age as did stocktons. Compare numbers for say a 10 year span when they both were in there prime and you would find that stocks numbers are quite impressive.

For the record i would put cassel somewhere in the top 50 point guards for sure. You really cant say as a rookie and second year play sam contributed as much as you might think. they had some decent players those years.

regards,
lover of the ladies

jay on December 30, 2007 said:

Stockton is the best point guard in NBA History. Thank you Mr John for all the memories, you just make me so glad to see you on the court with Karl and all the Jazz players during the 90’s.
A French Jazz Fan.

Brandon on December 30, 2007 said:

Malone was history’s greatest choke artist, who could never come up big when it counted. Stockton as a player he was great but extremely dirty, known for gouging and prodding the opponents. I’d rather have Williams and Boozer any day than the cheater and cowboy wannabe.

Kienan on December 30, 2007 said:

Stockton was the greatest point guard of all time. It will be a while before anyone breaks his record. But lets not forget, that with every Jordan, there is a Pippen… Im not a big Jazz fan but Stockton wouldnt have even accomplished any of those records with out the Mailman of course, Karl Malone. I cant even front tho, my man D Williams is the truth… He has shown everyone in the league that its no pressure on him to take over Stocktons roll with the Jazz, but he will not break Stocktons record. All said and done. Over and out !!! One

RRR on December 31, 2007 said:

Championships missing?

Lets not forget the greatest push off in the history of the game that cost Utah it’s earned ring!

Stockton is one hella ball player and his entire life seems to be the same as well.

Records are made to be broken, Stocks may be some day, but as of today there does not appear anybody capable of the feate.

Hey the 72 Dolphins are in jeopardy, in fact their 16 -0 just got matched. three more games and who knows?

chan-chan ong on January 01, 2008 said:

iv been collecting stockton cards…and i have already more than 200 cards…can i have a chance to see my greatest player in basketball?

kefkah on January 02, 2008 said:

Stockton’s record will stand for quite some time until another pure point guard not yet in the NBA emerges and is paired with a player of the caliber of Malone. This requires a perfect storm of elements that simply won’t happen for quite some time if at all. None of the current contenders can be considered threats unless stem cell research finds a way to halt aging.

And if that is the case, Stockton could probably come back himself…no truth stretching is needed when I say that the man probably could step onto the court right now and still be more effective than 1/2 the point guards out there on the floor in the NBA. I mean when he retired, he had lost a step but look at his numbers that final year considering his age and in comparison to other point guards in the league. Pretty darn impressive.

Lastly, the one poster was right – if Stockton knew about this article, he probably would just shake his head and move on. Even in retirment, news about him is scarce by design. A legend and a class act. How many of those are left?

TIM on January 02, 2008 said:

I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR ANDY:

IF CASSELL IS/WAS SO GREAT, WHY WAS HE NOT EVEN THE STARTER WHEN HAKEEM AND CLYDE WERE CARRYING HIM TO CHAMPIONSHIPS?

ACTUALLY I HAVE A SECOND POINT AS WELL.
STOCK, MAGIC, OSCAR…YOU COULD SAY ANY 1 OF THEM WAS THE BEST ALL TIME. BUT DOES ANYONE DOUBT THAT THOMAS BEING LISTED IN THEIR CLASS, OR AHEAD OF STOCK, IS ANYTHING MORE THAN THE IDIOTS AT ESPN THAT THINK THEY HAVE TO PLAY TO THE FANS IN BIG CITIES SINCE THEY DON’T THINK THERE ARE ENOUGH TRUE BASKETBALL FANS THAT WATCH MORE THAN THE HIGHLITES THEY SHOW?

Kevin on January 02, 2008 said:

Stockton is awesome, however, a lot of record throughout sports have been broken…even the ones people thought impossible.

I wish he record will remain forever, but it will be broken.

It may take some time, and a heck of a point guard to do so because Stockton’s records are amazing.

Lynn on January 02, 2008 said:

Babe Ruth’s home runs record? How long did that take? Oh know here goes a wild ride?

I have a signed Basketball the first year the Jazz went to the finals and Johns name is on it, and will never forget that famous “AND JOHN STOCKTON SENDS THE UTAH JAZZ TO THE NBA FINALS” I was injured in an accident and the hard work John and Karl showed helped me get better, so anybody that has anything bad to say about John, here is a Karl Malone Elbow to the chin, Special delivery!!!!!

I am 38 now and will never see Johns records broke, but that means nothing to me, I was alive to see it happen!

Stockton forever fans on January 03, 2008 said:

I’m from HK, I believe in the deep deep of MJ’s heart, Stockton and Malone are the greatest opp in his career. The last 2 champ rings (96-97 & 97-98) on MJ’s fingers are the tough and hard to get.

Alicia on January 03, 2008 said:

Stockton is the Greatest point ever, no ONe will replace him. He played with such poise, passion, and control!

Frank on January 04, 2008 said:

I’m from Dominican Republic, where baseball is first. I have to admit that Stockton made me a basketball fan and a jazz fan , watching the guy playing so unselfish was a real pleasure, I wish nowadays basketball players would learn how to play the game the way these guys used to play (Malone, Hornacek and Stockton). TEAM PLAY!

Jeo on January 06, 2008 said:

I’m a hardcore Utah Jazz fan from the Philippines and I’ve first watched their games for the Utah-Chicago rivalry, and I’d say that John Stockton is THE best PG in NBA HANDS DOWN! Too bad the Jazz didn’t win the championships, but statistics matter where it counts the most!

For those familiar with Soul Edge/Soul Calibur games, “The legend will never die.” Neither is Stockton’s legacy or his records.

mesa on January 07, 2008 said:

STOCTON IS THE BEST !!! i bet if he played for lakers or anyone other than utah, people would say he is the best point guard ever. utah never gets enough notice or publicity to how good we really are. i mean i hear more talk about cleveland, miami or new york than the utah jazz. miami and new york arent even the worst teams and they get more attention, the point im trying to make is if any of the jazz starting 5 players played for another team or if stockton played for someone else THEY WOULD GET NOTICED WAYYYYYYYYYY MORE!
that aint fair

renz on January 14, 2008 said:

oh yeah! what a great article. actually i consider mr. stockton as the greatest point guard played in the NBA as of now. no guard will ever beat his record and the way he play ball games. it’s right that record is just some basis but he’s trust within he’s teammates is different,they even got to the NBA finals in 1997-1998. how amazing. so the bottomline is john stockton’s legendary career will live forever. oh yeah and my all-time favorite player too, karl malone. this two made a big impact on professional basketball. i can now imagine carlos and deron stepping into the NBA finals.

big john on January 20, 2008 said:

ANDY: YOU SAID THIS MAN john Stockton is probably the most overrated point guard. 0 championships. I hate it that I have to walk on john Stockton drive everyday. He didn’t free the slaves or cure cancer. He played sub par ball on a sub par team in a sub par division

In all my years of being a Jazz Fan which is about 24 years now, The Western Conference Division has never been a cake walk. that stockton & mallon era (they went to went to playoffs how many times) (how many players can say in any sport take john Stockton for instance, sets the endurance record, but then sets the steals and assists record. Have had set three records and done what they did as far as wining % wise not many during stockton & mallon. I wish we had a good center during those championships we might of won, someone like David Robinson or Alonzo Morning we would of been in more championship games and had some bling to go with its the lack of a good centers that really playaged us ostertag and collins arent good centers we should of trade for someone better for a good trade but the past is in past) our division is pretty tough even now it hasn’t been easy we always the NBA’s best talent in the 24yrs weve had to face the big tree and still try to win think about weve played Lakers. Kobe, Shaq, Magic, West, Wilt Chamberlain and C Barkley sun and Clyde Derxler, Charles Barley, Akeem the dream, Horry, McGrady Yao, Rockets and the spurs tony parker, ginobili, bowen, duncan, finley, George “The Iceman” Gervin , and David Robinson who have never been easy and kevin Garnet timberwolves, and G Payton S Kemp , supersonic not to mention the King with Webber and there team and Dallas Mavs with Dirk and Howerd and nashs and suns were do come up with your inforomation denver nuggets with mutombo and now with Iverson, Camby, Anthony I think our division is very competitive not to mention the players in it.

john stockton & karl mallon & jeff hornacek are really great players of the in the 1st class. makes wonder what if if he hadn’t left for the lakers and was the 3rd option in the lakers club makes wonder if he’d of got the 1st spot on the offense instead 2nd if he’d stayed in utah) will be in hall famers they had great coaching and well balanced team.

No I dont think his records will be broken anytime soon. This might not happen or might it all depends on how many games you face in a season. but its always been a big factor in sport its like these examples: lou gerig beating babe ruths homeruns in a season there was a an * put next to lou’s name cause there were more games played in that season than ruth season kind of like the jerry rice reception record being broken by moss – NEW England played 16 games this season but during the 49ers season they only played in 12 games the new england team played 4 more games played than the old 49ers it all depends on expansion teams and how many games they play.

Mark Gardner on January 21, 2008 said:

Alright Big John (probably an oxy-moron),
If you hate walking down John Stockton Ave. then dont.
If you are a true Jazz fan (which obviously your not) then you would respect the acomplishments that he has achieved. You are not a fan you are a fair weather fan that needs validation for the obviously giant hole in your life. Stockton was and is the best point guard to ever play. and you are ignorant. As far as hating the name “Stockton Avenue” if you dont like it then you should find a new city to live in!

big john on January 21, 2008 said:

Hey mark mark :

I did not that post that comment, some jerk named ANDY posted that comment from before. Dont anybody read the whole page.

mbig john on January 21, 2008 said:

I was jut stating on how tough our division is and how many great teams and players we played. How rare it is that john stockton sets 3 records.( the indurence recocord and the steals record and assits record ) Its really rare in sports that one person sets all three records, If you think about that it will never happen in the nba at least not by the same player. thats why he’s the best.

Stockton is the best pure point guard I’ve ever seen play, I was stating that ANDYS POST was crazy and uninformed and what that stockten to mallon team did as team ( To prove that press and t.v. and was wrong you could have success and win in Utah ) was rare a special and will never see it again. That team was special like making the playoff all those years back to back . its like seeing mallon breaking that 2nd spot for the all time score leader. The Jazz are by far the most under rated team ive ever seen just because if they played L.A or N.Y. or DET. or CHICAGO theyed been all over the t.v. and the press wouldn’t of stopped talking about how great the Jazz are.

Nathan on January 24, 2008 said:

Hey I don’t care what Magic Johnson said about John Stockton. If you actually read my comment is that John Stockton has 0 rings Magic has 5. ESPN will always bring up how great Magic was but you’ll never hear about Stockton. It’s the world of sports. Just like Eligin Baylor great player and hall of famer that played with the Lakers in Minneapolis and Los Angeles didn’t win a ring and do you ever hear about him and your answer would be no. So Magic said that Stockton is the better player well that is 1 of say 3 billion people that have said that so Jazz fans get a life

Barbara Fegely on January 30, 2008 said:

Of all the wonderful tributes given on this forum about John Stockton, which of course is well earned and deserved, very little is mentioned about what an exquisite human being he was. I’m sure he still is, as I’ve been fortunate enough to have met the parents who raised him. I’ll never forget the day he came into my store and held out that huge hand of his and said, “hello, I’m John Stockton”, already knowing that I was a huge Jazz fan. Besides being a great basketball player, he was the ultimate gentleman, a loving family man, and a loyal friend. It is also enough to say that knowing the caliber of a man like Jerry Sloan ( no one can bs him!) that he considered John to be a Prince. I believe him to be an expert in judging quality, and John is certainly qualified.

Kevin Billips on February 19, 2008 said:

I’ve always felt like I was in the minority, when I told someone that I was a Utah Jazz, Stockton-Malone-Hornacek fan. (having grown up in VA and lived mostly in the south) It’s really great to read these comments from true, knowlegeable, basketball fans from all over the world and see that there are many, many more like me who appreciate greatness. I read a few posts above that included some guys saying that they have named their sons after Stockton. I am yet another one of those guys. I knew there must have been others out there, but this is the first place I’ve seen confirmation of it. My son, Isaac Stockton Billips, was born very premature at 23 weeks of a normal 40 week pregnacy. I gave him the name Stockton because I hoped/prayed he would be like #12 and overcome being small and not expected to survive against the odds. I gave hime the name Stockton because I wanted him (and my other son & daughter) to know a real man as a role model that ALWAYS played hard & gave his best efforts for those around him both in the game AND in life. One of my most treasured possessions is the short, handwritten letter & career/highlight DVD that John Stockton sent back to me when I wrote to him through the Jazz organization to tell him about my son Isaac and also thank him for all the years of basketball greatness after he retired. I doubt that we’ll ever see anyone else like John in the league, but I hope I’m wrong. The NBA and the world needs guys more guys like him.
KDB in ATL, GA

Alex Akopyan on February 19, 2008 said:

Unlike Andy, I have a ton of respect for John Stockton. Comparing a sure-fire First-Ballot Hall-of Famer to simply a good player like Sam Cassell is quiet ridiculous. Yes, Sam Cassell has always been one of the games’ best clutch performers, but being clutch alone does not make one worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as one of the games’ all-time best. Otherwise, Robert Horry should be in the same discussion as Charles Barkley with the greatest power forwards of all-time. John Paxson should be in the same discussion as Jerry West with the greatest shooting guards of all-time. Now if you’re talking about a list of greatest clutch performers Andy, then it wouldn’t be unreasonable to include Sam Cassell for that list. However, this discussion is about greatest point guards of all-time. Also, keep in mind that basketball is a team sport, as oppose to an individual sport such Tennis (singles), Figure Skating (singles), thus winning in basketball depends upon so many factors beyond an individuals’ control. Now if you look at how the Jazz played when Stockton was on the court versus when he sat on the bench, it was night and day. With Stockton on the court, the Jazz are shooting lay-ups. Without Stockton on the court, they’re having to force contested jump shots. John Stockton’s field goal %age was also over 50% from the field for his career, which is highly impressive for a diminutive point guard.

Now although John Stockton set records in steals and assists that we believe are breakable only because John Stockton set them, and although he is the greatest pure point guard of our time, I can’t say that he’s the greatest point of all-time in general. On that list, I have Oscar Robertson at #1, Magic Johnson at #2, Bob Cousy at #3, John Stockton at #4 & Tiny Nate Archibald at #5 to round out my top 5. And because Bob Cousy was also a pure point guard, I have John Stockton as the second greatest pure point guard of all-time. Now this is strictly my list, as others can disagree.

blondeboy on March 09, 2008 said:

It is possible that Stockton’s records will in time be broken, yes, but not all by the same player! Some player may beat his durability record, another might beat his steals record and some other might beat his assists record but it is doubtful any ONE player will beat all three of his records.

I lived in NYC during most of the Stockton&Malone era so I didn’t get to see him play live as much as I would have liked to, but I tried to see the JAZZ whenever they played at the Garden.

Stockton & Malone were robbed of their rings by the greatest push off in the history of the game and the whole Jordan retirement-nonretiremet-retirement drama. There was no way in ‘heck’ that the NBA was going to let Jordan retire losing a championship. John & Karl and the entire JAZZ team paid the price for Jordan’s retirement announcement that year at the direction of the NBA and the sports media. The entire thing soured me on NBA basketball for years. NBA officiating sometimes looks about as real as WWF. Star players are named by the media and suddenly they they cannot foul, travel or carry the ball, and no one get near them without fouling them.

Best true point guard of all time? Absolutely! No question in my assessment.

Stockton-Malone-Hornacek-Slone….Thanks for the memories.

bigjohn on March 09, 2008 said:

blondeboy comment :”There was no way in ‘heck’ that the NBA was going to let Jordan retire losing a championship” “NBA officiating sometimes looks about as real as WWF.”

I thought the same thing when they played the Bull’’s twice the officiating was so lopped sided Karl got slammed around and they locked him down and every time they held him and then never called Pippen or Rodman for crossing the painted for cheating across the backside area and then they never called the Bull’s for being 10 seconds in paint. Then they held John every time they ran anything then when they played offense they would bump and pushed him out which is a push off should been a foul then I’m going then when he’d take the charge in the paint they called him for it even when he was there outside the line. If I was Jerry after game 2 I’d of sent in all missed calls the officials missed on Bulls and the Jazz on both sides for the season about a 5 hour tap called “when officiating goes bad” would of sent one to commissioner that cheating us out of the championship. they had to cheat us to win and the list is so big I haven’t enough room to list here the fouls they let them play us straight up which is bad for us cause they let them cheat us out of a ring.

Carlos Wallace on April 16, 2008 said:

“Magic Johnson resurrected not only the Lakers but the whole league as well with his exciting brand of “showtime” basketball. His all-around talent and artistry kept the NBA alive after a rather forgettable 70’s. Of course, he led the Lakers to 5 championships.”

That just about says it all! John Stockton was good but great is a stretch. I agree he was very good for the team he was with but he is no comparison to Majic. Survey anyone outside of Utah and I will bet 9 of 10 would agree.

Onetuffride on April 16, 2008 said:

Oh, Carlos, Wow!

I will say this about Magic Johnson, he was a great player and a great showman. Yes, he brought back excitement back into the NBA. Yes, he had 5 rings, but does that make a complete player? It says how good his team was, not him as a player, even though he was a great player in his own right. Let see, how many records does Magic hold now? Hmmm, All time assist leader? No, Sorry, John Stockton holds that record? All-time steals leader? No, John Stockton holds that record too? So what records does Magic hold today? But, when you hear all the accolades that was said about John Stockton and how talented he was, including your man Magic! Magic was not the only one that said John Stockton was the BEST point guard to ever play that position.
John Stockton will always be a champion, whether he won a title or not and that is not just in Utah. Anyone to every watch him play will attest to this.
Good Luck with your Man Magic!

Alex Akopyan on April 17, 2008 said:

Well Carlos, no one will argue that Magic was the greater overall player than Stockton, as I even had him a bit ahead of Stockton on my “Greatest Point Guards of All-time List;” hope you read what I wrote. However, Magic does not fit the description of “pure” Point Guard, and John Stockton was the greatest pure Point Guard post-Bob Cousy era. And to say that John was anything but great is to say that the world is flat.

As for Onetuffride, Magic actually holds the all-time record for highest career assists per game average by seven tenths of an assist per game over Stockton who’s second on that list, though Stockton would be holding that record too had Magic Johnson played till he was 40 (averages drop of with age). One of the things that made Magic so unique was that he could play all five positions on the court, something I can’t think of any other player to ever play the game that could. In a way, comparing Magic Johnson to John Stockton is like comparing apples & oranges, but at least here we are talking about two sure-fire first ballot hall-of-famers in the same breath, as oppose to the person that brought up Sam Cassell into the same paragraph as Stockton, which was just ludicrous!

Antonio on May 16, 2008 said:

I love basketball!!!!!!! you no why? Only by Jhon Stockton. He is the best of the best. he´s records for eternity lives.

Alex Akopyan on May 26, 2008 said:

John Stockton doesn’t make any noise, doesn’t talk trash (lets his game do the talking), doesn’t draw extra-cirricular attention to himself, but night-in & night-out comes away with 16-19pts & 13-16ast, shoots 5 for 6 from the line, 6 for 10 from the field & comes away with 3 pokes. You wouldn’t think the Asian female sitting in the back of the classroom to be Mrs. Genius if you saw her. She rarely raises her hand, speaks only when called opon, never goes into any extra detail when she speaks, but comes away with a grade of 97-99% in all of her classes, which is an A+. Well John Stockton’s play is something that needs to be watched over a long period of time, much as a string-orchestra, in order to truly appreciate its greatness, as teammate Greg Foster once said.