Comments on: Stockton’s Records: Unbreakable? http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/ Utah Jazz Official Fan and Team Blog Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:52:10 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Alex Akopyan http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/comment-page-2/#comment-2703 Alex Akopyan Mon, 26 May 2008 21:57:02 +0000 http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/#comment-2703 John Stockton doesn't make any noise, doesn't talk trash (lets his game do the talking), doesn't draw extra-cirricular attention to himself, but night-in & night-out comes away with 16-19pts & 13-16ast, shoots 5 for 6 from the line, 6 for 10 from the field & comes away with 3 pokes. You wouldn't think the Asian female sitting in the back of the classroom to be Mrs. Genius if you saw her. She rarely raises her hand, speaks only when called opon, never goes into any extra detail when she speaks, but comes away with a grade of 97-99% in all of her classes, which is an A+. Well John Stockton's play is something that needs to be watched over a long period of time, much as a string-orchestra, in order to truly appreciate its greatness, as teammate Greg Foster once said. John Stockton doesn’t make any noise, doesn’t talk trash (lets his game do the talking), doesn’t draw extra-cirricular attention to himself, but night-in & night-out comes away with 16-19pts & 13-16ast, shoots 5 for 6 from the line, 6 for 10 from the field & comes away with 3 pokes. You wouldn’t think the Asian female sitting in the back of the classroom to be Mrs. Genius if you saw her. She rarely raises her hand, speaks only when called opon, never goes into any extra detail when she speaks, but comes away with a grade of 97-99% in all of her classes, which is an A+. Well John Stockton’s play is something that needs to be watched over a long period of time, much as a string-orchestra, in order to truly appreciate its greatness, as teammate Greg Foster once said.

]]> By: Antonio http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/comment-page-2/#comment-2605 Antonio Sat, 17 May 2008 06:21:33 +0000 http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/#comment-2605 I love basketball!!!!!!! you no why? Only by Jhon Stockton. He is the best of the best. he´s records for eternity lives. I love basketball!!!!!!! you no why? Only by Jhon Stockton. He is the best of the best. he´s records for eternity lives.

]]> By: Alex Akopyan http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/comment-page-2/#comment-2189 Alex Akopyan Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:06:27 +0000 http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/#comment-2189 Well Carlos, no one will argue that Magic was the greater overall player than Stockton, as I even had him a bit ahead of Stockton on my "Greatest Point Guards of All-time List;" hope you read what I wrote. However, Magic does not fit the description of "pure" Point Guard, and John Stockton was the greatest pure Point Guard post-Bob Cousy era. And to say that John was anything but great is to say that the world is flat. As for Onetuffride, Magic actually holds the all-time record for highest career assists per game average by seven tenths of an assist per game over Stockton who's second on that list, though Stockton would be holding that record too had Magic Johnson played till he was 40 (averages drop of with age). One of the things that made Magic so unique was that he could play all five positions on the court, something I can't think of any other player to ever play the game that could. In a way, comparing Magic Johnson to John Stockton is like comparing apples & oranges, but at least here we are talking about two sure-fire first ballot hall-of-famers in the same breath, as oppose to the person that brought up Sam Cassell into the same paragraph as Stockton, which was just ludicrous! Well Carlos, no one will argue that Magic was the greater overall player than Stockton, as I even had him a bit ahead of Stockton on my “Greatest Point Guards of All-time List;” hope you read what I wrote. However, Magic does not fit the description of “pure” Point Guard, and John Stockton was the greatest pure Point Guard post-Bob Cousy era. And to say that John was anything but great is to say that the world is flat.

As for Onetuffride, Magic actually holds the all-time record for highest career assists per game average by seven tenths of an assist per game over Stockton who’s second on that list, though Stockton would be holding that record too had Magic Johnson played till he was 40 (averages drop of with age). One of the things that made Magic so unique was that he could play all five positions on the court, something I can’t think of any other player to ever play the game that could. In a way, comparing Magic Johnson to John Stockton is like comparing apples & oranges, but at least here we are talking about two sure-fire first ballot hall-of-famers in the same breath, as oppose to the person that brought up Sam Cassell into the same paragraph as Stockton, which was just ludicrous!

]]> By: Onetuffride http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/comment-page-2/#comment-2176 Onetuffride Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:05:40 +0000 http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/#comment-2176 Oh, Carlos, Wow! I will say this about Magic Johnson, he was a great player and a great showman. Yes, he brought back excitement back into the NBA. Yes, he had 5 rings, but does that make a complete player? It says how good his team was, not him as a player, even though he was a great player in his own right. Let see, how many records does Magic hold now? Hmmm, All time assist leader? No, Sorry, John Stockton holds that record? All-time steals leader? No, John Stockton holds that record too? So what records does Magic hold today? But, when you hear all the accolades that was said about John Stockton and how talented he was, including your man Magic! Magic was not the only one that said John Stockton was the BEST point guard to ever play that position. John Stockton will always be a champion, whether he won a title or not and that is not just in Utah. Anyone to every watch him play will attest to this. Good Luck with your Man Magic! Oh, Carlos, Wow!

I will say this about Magic Johnson, he was a great player and a great showman. Yes, he brought back excitement back into the NBA. Yes, he had 5 rings, but does that make a complete player? It says how good his team was, not him as a player, even though he was a great player in his own right. Let see, how many records does Magic hold now? Hmmm, All time assist leader? No, Sorry, John Stockton holds that record? All-time steals leader? No, John Stockton holds that record too? So what records does Magic hold today? But, when you hear all the accolades that was said about John Stockton and how talented he was, including your man Magic! Magic was not the only one that said John Stockton was the BEST point guard to ever play that position.
John Stockton will always be a champion, whether he won a title or not and that is not just in Utah. Anyone to every watch him play will attest to this.
Good Luck with your Man Magic!

]]> By: Carlos Wallace http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/comment-page-2/#comment-2169 Carlos Wallace Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:36:28 +0000 http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/#comment-2169 "Magic Johnson resurrected not only the Lakers but the whole league as well with his exciting brand of "showtime" basketball. His all-around talent and artistry kept the NBA alive after a rather forgettable 70's. Of course, he led the Lakers to 5 championships." That just about says it all! John Stockton was good but great is a stretch. I agree he was very good for the team he was with but he is no comparison to Majic. Survey anyone outside of Utah and I will bet 9 of 10 would agree. “Magic Johnson resurrected not only the Lakers but the whole league as well with his exciting brand of “showtime” basketball. His all-around talent and artistry kept the NBA alive after a rather forgettable 70’s. Of course, he led the Lakers to 5 championships.”

That just about says it all! John Stockton was good but great is a stretch. I agree he was very good for the team he was with but he is no comparison to Majic. Survey anyone outside of Utah and I will bet 9 of 10 would agree.

]]> By: bigjohn http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/comment-page-2/#comment-1792 bigjohn Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:26:49 +0000 http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/#comment-1792 blondeboy comment :"There was no way in ‘heck’ that the NBA was going to let Jordan retire losing a championship" "NBA officiating sometimes looks about as real as WWF." I thought the same thing when they played the Bull''s twice the officiating was so lopped sided Karl got slammed around and they locked him down and every time they held him and then never called Pippen or Rodman for crossing the painted for cheating across the backside area and then they never called the Bull's for being 10 seconds in paint. Then they held John every time they ran anything then when they played offense they would bump and pushed him out which is a push off should been a foul then I'm going then when he'd take the charge in the paint they called him for it even when he was there outside the line. If I was Jerry after game 2 I'd of sent in all missed calls the officials missed on Bulls and the Jazz on both sides for the season about a 5 hour tap called "when officiating goes bad" would of sent one to commissioner that cheating us out of the championship. they had to cheat us to win and the list is so big I haven't enough room to list here the fouls they let them play us straight up which is bad for us cause they let them cheat us out of a ring. blondeboy comment :”There was no way in ‘heck’ that the NBA was going to let Jordan retire losing a championship” “NBA officiating sometimes looks about as real as WWF.”

I thought the same thing when they played the Bull’’s twice the officiating was so lopped sided Karl got slammed around and they locked him down and every time they held him and then never called Pippen or Rodman for crossing the painted for cheating across the backside area and then they never called the Bull’s for being 10 seconds in paint. Then they held John every time they ran anything then when they played offense they would bump and pushed him out which is a push off should been a foul then I’m going then when he’d take the charge in the paint they called him for it even when he was there outside the line. If I was Jerry after game 2 I’d of sent in all missed calls the officials missed on Bulls and the Jazz on both sides for the season about a 5 hour tap called “when officiating goes bad” would of sent one to commissioner that cheating us out of the championship. they had to cheat us to win and the list is so big I haven’t enough room to list here the fouls they let them play us straight up which is bad for us cause they let them cheat us out of a ring.

]]> By: blondeboy http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/comment-page-2/#comment-1786 blondeboy Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:04:19 +0000 http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/#comment-1786 It is possible that Stockton's records will in time be broken, yes, but not all by the same player! Some player may beat his durability record, another might beat his steals record and some other might beat his assists record but it is doubtful any ONE player will beat all three of his records. I lived in NYC during most of the Stockton&Malone era so I didn't get to see him play live as much as I would have liked to, but I tried to see the JAZZ whenever they played at the Garden. Stockton & Malone were robbed of their rings by the greatest push off in the history of the game and the whole Jordan retirement-nonretiremet-retirement drama. There was no way in 'heck' that the NBA was going to let Jordan retire losing a championship. John & Karl and the entire JAZZ team paid the price for Jordan's retirement announcement that year at the direction of the NBA and the sports media. The entire thing soured me on NBA basketball for years. NBA officiating sometimes looks about as real as WWF. Star players are named by the media and suddenly they they cannot foul, travel or carry the ball, and no one get near them without fouling them. Best true point guard of all time? Absolutely! No question in my assessment. Stockton-Malone-Hornacek-Slone....Thanks for the memories. It is possible that Stockton’s records will in time be broken, yes, but not all by the same player! Some player may beat his durability record, another might beat his steals record and some other might beat his assists record but it is doubtful any ONE player will beat all three of his records.

I lived in NYC during most of the Stockton&Malone era so I didn’t get to see him play live as much as I would have liked to, but I tried to see the JAZZ whenever they played at the Garden.

Stockton & Malone were robbed of their rings by the greatest push off in the history of the game and the whole Jordan retirement-nonretiremet-retirement drama. There was no way in ‘heck’ that the NBA was going to let Jordan retire losing a championship. John & Karl and the entire JAZZ team paid the price for Jordan’s retirement announcement that year at the direction of the NBA and the sports media. The entire thing soured me on NBA basketball for years. NBA officiating sometimes looks about as real as WWF. Star players are named by the media and suddenly they they cannot foul, travel or carry the ball, and no one get near them without fouling them.

Best true point guard of all time? Absolutely! No question in my assessment.

Stockton-Malone-Hornacek-Slone….Thanks for the memories.

]]> By: Alex Akopyan http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/comment-page-2/#comment-1588 Alex Akopyan Wed, 20 Feb 2008 02:53:02 +0000 http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/#comment-1588 Unlike Andy, I have a ton of respect for John Stockton. Comparing a sure-fire First-Ballot Hall-of Famer to simply a good player like Sam Cassell is quiet ridiculous. Yes, Sam Cassell has always been one of the games' best clutch performers, but being clutch alone does not make one worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as one of the games' all-time best. Otherwise, Robert Horry should be in the same discussion as Charles Barkley with the greatest power forwards of all-time. John Paxson should be in the same discussion as Jerry West with the greatest shooting guards of all-time. Now if you're talking about a list of greatest clutch performers Andy, then it wouldn't be unreasonable to include Sam Cassell for that list. However, this discussion is about greatest point guards of all-time. Also, keep in mind that basketball is a team sport, as oppose to an individual sport such Tennis (singles), Figure Skating (singles), thus winning in basketball depends upon so many factors beyond an individuals' control. Now if you look at how the Jazz played when Stockton was on the court versus when he sat on the bench, it was night and day. With Stockton on the court, the Jazz are shooting lay-ups. Without Stockton on the court, they're having to force contested jump shots. John Stockton's field goal %age was also over 50% from the field for his career, which is highly impressive for a diminutive point guard. Now although John Stockton set records in steals and assists that we believe are breakable only because John Stockton set them, and although he is the greatest pure point guard of our time, I can't say that he's the greatest point of all-time in general. On that list, I have Oscar Robertson at #1, Magic Johnson at #2, Bob Cousy at #3, John Stockton at #4 & Tiny Nate Archibald at #5 to round out my top 5. And because Bob Cousy was also a pure point guard, I have John Stockton as the second greatest pure point guard of all-time. Now this is strictly my list, as others can disagree. Unlike Andy, I have a ton of respect for John Stockton. Comparing a sure-fire First-Ballot Hall-of Famer to simply a good player like Sam Cassell is quiet ridiculous. Yes, Sam Cassell has always been one of the games’ best clutch performers, but being clutch alone does not make one worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as one of the games’ all-time best. Otherwise, Robert Horry should be in the same discussion as Charles Barkley with the greatest power forwards of all-time. John Paxson should be in the same discussion as Jerry West with the greatest shooting guards of all-time. Now if you’re talking about a list of greatest clutch performers Andy, then it wouldn’t be unreasonable to include Sam Cassell for that list. However, this discussion is about greatest point guards of all-time. Also, keep in mind that basketball is a team sport, as oppose to an individual sport such Tennis (singles), Figure Skating (singles), thus winning in basketball depends upon so many factors beyond an individuals’ control. Now if you look at how the Jazz played when Stockton was on the court versus when he sat on the bench, it was night and day. With Stockton on the court, the Jazz are shooting lay-ups. Without Stockton on the court, they’re having to force contested jump shots. John Stockton’s field goal %age was also over 50% from the field for his career, which is highly impressive for a diminutive point guard.

Now although John Stockton set records in steals and assists that we believe are breakable only because John Stockton set them, and although he is the greatest pure point guard of our time, I can’t say that he’s the greatest point of all-time in general. On that list, I have Oscar Robertson at #1, Magic Johnson at #2, Bob Cousy at #3, John Stockton at #4 & Tiny Nate Archibald at #5 to round out my top 5. And because Bob Cousy was also a pure point guard, I have John Stockton as the second greatest pure point guard of all-time. Now this is strictly my list, as others can disagree.

]]> By: Kevin Billips http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/comment-page-2/#comment-1584 Kevin Billips Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:49:30 +0000 http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/#comment-1584 I've always felt like I was in the minority, when I told someone that I was a Utah Jazz, Stockton-Malone-Hornacek fan. (having grown up in VA and lived mostly in the south) It's really great to read these comments from true, knowlegeable, basketball fans from all over the world and see that there are many, many more like me who appreciate greatness. I read a few posts above that included some guys saying that they have named their sons after Stockton. I am yet another one of those guys. I knew there must have been others out there, but this is the first place I've seen confirmation of it. My son, Isaac Stockton Billips, was born very premature at 23 weeks of a normal 40 week pregnacy. I gave him the name Stockton because I hoped/prayed he would be like #12 and overcome being small and not expected to survive against the odds. I gave hime the name Stockton because I wanted him (and my other son & daughter) to know a real man as a role model that ALWAYS played hard & gave his best efforts for those around him both in the game AND in life. One of my most treasured possessions is the short, handwritten letter & career/highlight DVD that John Stockton sent back to me when I wrote to him through the Jazz organization to tell him about my son Isaac and also thank him for all the years of basketball greatness after he retired. I doubt that we'll ever see anyone else like John in the league, but I hope I'm wrong. The NBA and the world needs guys more guys like him. KDB in ATL, GA I’ve always felt like I was in the minority, when I told someone that I was a Utah Jazz, Stockton-Malone-Hornacek fan. (having grown up in VA and lived mostly in the south) It’s really great to read these comments from true, knowlegeable, basketball fans from all over the world and see that there are many, many more like me who appreciate greatness. I read a few posts above that included some guys saying that they have named their sons after Stockton. I am yet another one of those guys. I knew there must have been others out there, but this is the first place I’ve seen confirmation of it. My son, Isaac Stockton Billips, was born very premature at 23 weeks of a normal 40 week pregnacy. I gave him the name Stockton because I hoped/prayed he would be like #12 and overcome being small and not expected to survive against the odds. I gave hime the name Stockton because I wanted him (and my other son & daughter) to know a real man as a role model that ALWAYS played hard & gave his best efforts for those around him both in the game AND in life. One of my most treasured possessions is the short, handwritten letter & career/highlight DVD that John Stockton sent back to me when I wrote to him through the Jazz organization to tell him about my son Isaac and also thank him for all the years of basketball greatness after he retired. I doubt that we’ll ever see anyone else like John in the league, but I hope I’m wrong. The NBA and the world needs guys more guys like him.
KDB in ATL, GA

]]> By: Barbara Fegely http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/comment-page-2/#comment-1268 Barbara Fegely Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:31:36 +0000 http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/#comment-1268 Of all the wonderful tributes given on this forum about John Stockton, which of course is well earned and deserved, very little is mentioned about what an exquisite human being he was. I'm sure he still is, as I've been fortunate enough to have met the parents who raised him. I'll never forget the day he came into my store and held out that huge hand of his and said, "hello, I'm John Stockton", already knowing that I was a huge Jazz fan. Besides being a great basketball player, he was the ultimate gentleman, a loving family man, and a loyal friend. It is also enough to say that knowing the caliber of a man like Jerry Sloan ( no one can bs him!) that he considered John to be a Prince. I believe him to be an expert in judging quality, and John is certainly qualified. Of all the wonderful tributes given on this forum about John Stockton, which of course is well earned and deserved, very little is mentioned about what an exquisite human being he was. I’m sure he still is, as I’ve been fortunate enough to have met the parents who raised him. I’ll never forget the day he came into my store and held out that huge hand of his and said, “hello, I’m John Stockton”, already knowing that I was a huge Jazz fan. Besides being a great basketball player, he was the ultimate gentleman, a loving family man, and a loyal friend. It is also enough to say that knowing the caliber of a man like Jerry Sloan ( no one can bs him!) that he considered John to be a Prince. I believe him to be an expert in judging quality, and John is certainly qualified.

]]> By: Nathan http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/comment-page-2/#comment-1229 Nathan Fri, 25 Jan 2008 03:44:00 +0000 http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/#comment-1229 Hey I don't care what Magic Johnson said about John Stockton. If you actually read my comment is that John Stockton has 0 rings Magic has 5. ESPN will always bring up how great Magic was but you'll never hear about Stockton. It's the world of sports. Just like Eligin Baylor great player and hall of famer that played with the Lakers in Minneapolis and Los Angeles didn't win a ring and do you ever hear about him and your answer would be no. So Magic said that Stockton is the better player well that is 1 of say 3 billion people that have said that so Jazz fans get a life Hey I don’t care what Magic Johnson said about John Stockton. If you actually read my comment is that John Stockton has 0 rings Magic has 5. ESPN will always bring up how great Magic was but you’ll never hear about Stockton. It’s the world of sports. Just like Eligin Baylor great player and hall of famer that played with the Lakers in Minneapolis and Los Angeles didn’t win a ring and do you ever hear about him and your answer would be no. So Magic said that Stockton is the better player well that is 1 of say 3 billion people that have said that so Jazz fans get a life

]]> By: mbig john http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/comment-page-2/#comment-1208 mbig john Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:03:21 +0000 http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/#comment-1208 I was jut stating on how tough our division is and how many great teams and players we played. How rare it is that john stockton sets 3 records.( the indurence recocord and the steals record and assits record ) Its really rare in sports that one person sets all three records, If you think about that it will never happen in the nba at least not by the same player. thats why he's the best. Stockton is the best pure point guard I've ever seen play, I was stating that ANDYS POST was crazy and uninformed and what that stockten to mallon team did as team ( To prove that press and t.v. and was wrong you could have success and win in Utah ) was rare a special and will never see it again. That team was special like making the playoff all those years back to back . its like seeing mallon breaking that 2nd spot for the all time score leader. The Jazz are by far the most under rated team ive ever seen just because if they played L.A or N.Y. or DET. or CHICAGO theyed been all over the t.v. and the press wouldn't of stopped talking about how great the Jazz are. I was jut stating on how tough our division is and how many great teams and players we played. How rare it is that john stockton sets 3 records.( the indurence recocord and the steals record and assits record ) Its really rare in sports that one person sets all three records, If you think about that it will never happen in the nba at least not by the same player. thats why he’s the best.

Stockton is the best pure point guard I’ve ever seen play, I was stating that ANDYS POST was crazy and uninformed and what that stockten to mallon team did as team ( To prove that press and t.v. and was wrong you could have success and win in Utah ) was rare a special and will never see it again. That team was special like making the playoff all those years back to back . its like seeing mallon breaking that 2nd spot for the all time score leader. The Jazz are by far the most under rated team ive ever seen just because if they played L.A or N.Y. or DET. or CHICAGO theyed been all over the t.v. and the press wouldn’t of stopped talking about how great the Jazz are.

]]> By: big john http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/comment-page-2/#comment-1206 big john Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:05:19 +0000 http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/#comment-1206 Hey mark mark : I did not that post that comment, some jerk named ANDY posted that comment from before. Dont anybody read the whole page. Hey mark mark :

I did not that post that comment, some jerk named ANDY posted that comment from before. Dont anybody read the whole page.

]]> By: Mark Gardner http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/comment-page-2/#comment-1201 Mark Gardner Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:17:34 +0000 http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/#comment-1201 Alright Big John (probably an oxy-moron), If you hate walking down John Stockton Ave. then dont. If you are a true Jazz fan (which obviously your not) then you would respect the acomplishments that he has achieved. You are not a fan you are a fair weather fan that needs validation for the obviously giant hole in your life. Stockton was and is the best point guard to ever play. and you are ignorant. As far as hating the name "Stockton Avenue" if you dont like it then you should find a new city to live in! Alright Big John (probably an oxy-moron),
If you hate walking down John Stockton Ave. then dont.
If you are a true Jazz fan (which obviously your not) then you would respect the acomplishments that he has achieved. You are not a fan you are a fair weather fan that needs validation for the obviously giant hole in your life. Stockton was and is the best point guard to ever play. and you are ignorant. As far as hating the name “Stockton Avenue” if you dont like it then you should find a new city to live in!

]]> By: big john http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/comment-page-2/#comment-1199 big john Mon, 21 Jan 2008 03:55:34 +0000 http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/#comment-1199 ANDY: YOU SAID THIS MAN john Stockton is probably the most overrated point guard. 0 championships. I hate it that I have to walk on john Stockton drive everyday. He didn’t free the slaves or cure cancer. He played sub par ball on a sub par team in a sub par division In all my years of being a Jazz Fan which is about 24 years now, The Western Conference Division has never been a cake walk. that stockton & mallon era (they went to went to playoffs how many times) (how many players can say in any sport take john Stockton for instance, sets the endurance record, but then sets the steals and assists record. Have had set three records and done what they did as far as wining % wise not many during stockton & mallon. I wish we had a good center during those championships we might of won, someone like David Robinson or Alonzo Morning we would of been in more championship games and had some bling to go with its the lack of a good centers that really playaged us ostertag and collins arent good centers we should of trade for someone better for a good trade but the past is in past) our division is pretty tough even now it hasn't been easy we always the NBA's best talent in the 24yrs weve had to face the big tree and still try to win think about weve played Lakers. Kobe, Shaq, Magic, West, Wilt Chamberlain and C Barkley sun and Clyde Derxler, Charles Barley, Akeem the dream, Horry, McGrady Yao, Rockets and the spurs tony parker, ginobili, bowen, duncan, finley, George "The Iceman" Gervin , and David Robinson who have never been easy and kevin Garnet timberwolves, and G Payton S Kemp , supersonic not to mention the King with Webber and there team and Dallas Mavs with Dirk and Howerd and nashs and suns were do come up with your inforomation denver nuggets with mutombo and now with Iverson, Camby, Anthony I think our division is very competitive not to mention the players in it. john stockton & karl mallon & jeff hornacek are really great players of the in the 1st class. makes wonder what if if he hadn't left for the lakers and was the 3rd option in the lakers club makes wonder if he'd of got the 1st spot on the offense instead 2nd if he'd stayed in utah) will be in hall famers they had great coaching and well balanced team. No I dont think his records will be broken anytime soon. This might not happen or might it all depends on how many games you face in a season. but its always been a big factor in sport its like these examples: lou gerig beating babe ruths homeruns in a season there was a an * put next to lou's name cause there were more games played in that season than ruth season kind of like the jerry rice reception record being broken by moss - NEW England played 16 games this season but during the 49ers season they only played in 12 games the new england team played 4 more games played than the old 49ers it all depends on expansion teams and how many games they play. ANDY: YOU SAID THIS MAN john Stockton is probably the most overrated point guard. 0 championships. I hate it that I have to walk on john Stockton drive everyday. He didn’t free the slaves or cure cancer. He played sub par ball on a sub par team in a sub par division

In all my years of being a Jazz Fan which is about 24 years now, The Western Conference Division has never been a cake walk. that stockton & mallon era (they went to went to playoffs how many times) (how many players can say in any sport take john Stockton for instance, sets the endurance record, but then sets the steals and assists record. Have had set three records and done what they did as far as wining % wise not many during stockton & mallon. I wish we had a good center during those championships we might of won, someone like David Robinson or Alonzo Morning we would of been in more championship games and had some bling to go with its the lack of a good centers that really playaged us ostertag and collins arent good centers we should of trade for someone better for a good trade but the past is in past) our division is pretty tough even now it hasn’t been easy we always the NBA’s best talent in the 24yrs weve had to face the big tree and still try to win think about weve played Lakers. Kobe, Shaq, Magic, West, Wilt Chamberlain and C Barkley sun and Clyde Derxler, Charles Barley, Akeem the dream, Horry, McGrady Yao, Rockets and the spurs tony parker, ginobili, bowen, duncan, finley, George “The Iceman” Gervin , and David Robinson who have never been easy and kevin Garnet timberwolves, and G Payton S Kemp , supersonic not to mention the King with Webber and there team and Dallas Mavs with Dirk and Howerd and nashs and suns were do come up with your inforomation denver nuggets with mutombo and now with Iverson, Camby, Anthony I think our division is very competitive not to mention the players in it.

john stockton & karl mallon & jeff hornacek are really great players of the in the 1st class. makes wonder what if if he hadn’t left for the lakers and was the 3rd option in the lakers club makes wonder if he’d of got the 1st spot on the offense instead 2nd if he’d stayed in utah) will be in hall famers they had great coaching and well balanced team.

No I dont think his records will be broken anytime soon. This might not happen or might it all depends on how many games you face in a season. but its always been a big factor in sport its like these examples: lou gerig beating babe ruths homeruns in a season there was a an * put next to lou’s name cause there were more games played in that season than ruth season kind of like the jerry rice reception record being broken by moss – NEW England played 16 games this season but during the 49ers season they only played in 12 games the new england team played 4 more games played than the old 49ers it all depends on expansion teams and how many games they play.

]]> By: renz http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/comment-page-2/#comment-1110 renz Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:34:01 +0000 http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/#comment-1110 oh yeah! what a great article. actually i consider mr. stockton as the greatest point guard played in the NBA as of now. no guard will ever beat his record and the way he play ball games. it's right that record is just some basis but he's trust within he's teammates is different,they even got to the NBA finals in 1997-1998. how amazing. so the bottomline is john stockton's legendary career will live forever. oh yeah and my all-time favorite player too, karl malone. this two made a big impact on professional basketball. i can now imagine carlos and deron stepping into the NBA finals. oh yeah! what a great article. actually i consider mr. stockton as the greatest point guard played in the NBA as of now. no guard will ever beat his record and the way he play ball games. it’s right that record is just some basis but he’s trust within he’s teammates is different,they even got to the NBA finals in 1997-1998. how amazing. so the bottomline is john stockton’s legendary career will live forever. oh yeah and my all-time favorite player too, karl malone. this two made a big impact on professional basketball. i can now imagine carlos and deron stepping into the NBA finals.

]]> By: mesa http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/comment-page-2/#comment-1025 mesa Tue, 08 Jan 2008 05:17:46 +0000 http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/#comment-1025 STOCTON IS THE BEST !!! i bet if he played for lakers or anyone other than utah, people would say he is the best point guard ever. utah never gets enough notice or publicity to how good we really are. i mean i hear more talk about cleveland, miami or new york than the utah jazz. miami and new york arent even the worst teams and they get more attention, the point im trying to make is if any of the jazz starting 5 players played for another team or if stockton played for someone else THEY WOULD GET NOTICED WAYYYYYYYYYY MORE! that aint fair STOCTON IS THE BEST !!! i bet if he played for lakers or anyone other than utah, people would say he is the best point guard ever. utah never gets enough notice or publicity to how good we really are. i mean i hear more talk about cleveland, miami or new york than the utah jazz. miami and new york arent even the worst teams and they get more attention, the point im trying to make is if any of the jazz starting 5 players played for another team or if stockton played for someone else THEY WOULD GET NOTICED WAYYYYYYYYYY MORE!
that aint fair

]]> By: Jeo http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/comment-page-2/#comment-1008 Jeo Mon, 07 Jan 2008 05:53:39 +0000 http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/#comment-1008 I'm a hardcore Utah Jazz fan from the Philippines and I've first watched their games for the Utah-Chicago rivalry, and I'd say that John Stockton is THE best PG in NBA HANDS DOWN! Too bad the Jazz didn't win the championships, but statistics matter where it counts the most! For those familiar with Soul Edge/Soul Calibur games, "The legend will never die." Neither is Stockton's legacy or his records. I’m a hardcore Utah Jazz fan from the Philippines and I’ve first watched their games for the Utah-Chicago rivalry, and I’d say that John Stockton is THE best PG in NBA HANDS DOWN! Too bad the Jazz didn’t win the championships, but statistics matter where it counts the most!

For those familiar with Soul Edge/Soul Calibur games, “The legend will never die.” Neither is Stockton’s legacy or his records.

]]> By: Frank http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/comment-page-2/#comment-969 Frank Fri, 04 Jan 2008 23:18:03 +0000 http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/#comment-969 I'm from Dominican Republic, where baseball is first. I have to admit that Stockton made me a basketball fan and a jazz fan , watching the guy playing so unselfish was a real pleasure, I wish nowadays basketball players would learn how to play the game the way these guys used to play (Malone, Hornacek and Stockton). TEAM PLAY! I’m from Dominican Republic, where baseball is first. I have to admit that Stockton made me a basketball fan and a jazz fan , watching the guy playing so unselfish was a real pleasure, I wish nowadays basketball players would learn how to play the game the way these guys used to play (Malone, Hornacek and Stockton). TEAM PLAY!

]]> By: Alicia http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/comment-page-2/#comment-951 Alicia Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:18:20 +0000 http://www.jazzbots.com/web/2007/12/19/stocktons-records-were-not-made-to-be-broken/#comment-951 Stockton is the Greatest point ever, no ONe will replace him. He played with such poise, passion, and control! Stockton is the Greatest point ever, no ONe will replace him. He played with such poise, passion, and control!

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