tman11 on June 06, 2009 said:

Wow i would love to see a guy like chirs bosh in a jazz uniform unfortunatly i dont see it happening. I don’t know tho me he has made it clear from the start of this season that he wants out, so let the kid go. get some cap room and, see what kind of talent we can get in. if we can’t get much Milsap has proven himself in a jazz system throw him in the starting line up and see what he can do. I would be very disappionted if he sign back on with the jazz he said how much he wants out he is always injured I do not want to see him play for the jazz again. Sure he has talent but he has never finish a whole season and, Milsap showed he can put up the same numbers with better shot blocking skills then what boozer could. no to mention who we can get in here with that 14 million dollars we will have in are pocket.

eddy on June 07, 2009 said:

Wow, another whiny power forward. It’s too bad that Boozer doesn’t see the value of staying with the jazz. He obviously hasn’t figured out that in Utah you don’t have to win a Title to be immortalized. All you have to do is hang around for a long time and make it to the playoffs a few times. If you do that, they will build a bronze statue of you.

tman11 on June 07, 2009 said:

Well not really yeah in utah he is but around the league he isn’t we are the most unpopular team in the whole league. If you don’t live in utah you most likely don’t like the jazz so yeah in utah you popular but, out side of utah no cares cares about you. i mean look at a guy guy like john stockon he was worshipped here in utah but he isn’t even in the top 25 greatest players of all time. wich tell me jazz players outside of utah don’t get any respect what so ever. I f john stockon played for the lakers or boston i put money he would be either the second greatest piont guard to every play the game.

Brian McCann on June 08, 2009 said:

tmann11- Not sure whose lists you have been looking at, but every list I have seen ranks Stockton as at least the second best PG of all-time, sometimes at number 1. Yes we are a small market, but I have lived in 4 states and we are respected everywhere for the most part.

Eddy-Don’t diss Malone. Just don’t do it. He did a hell of a lot more than “make it to the playoffs a few times”. If you need proof, go open the record books big guy-you just put him in the same class as Derick Coleman, and that’s just a little bit ignorant.

tman11 on June 08, 2009 said:

I have looked it up just a minute ago and he isn’t but yeah we get respect but we don’t get any credit. teams don’t like to play utah but we don’t get any type of credit when we do anything. I live in AZ right now and the suns hate it when utah comes town. But it’s hard if you play for the jazz to get recognized by your achievements. Look at jerry sloan should have gotten coach of the year two or three times now but has he nope.

Nelson on June 08, 2009 said:

Wow, a few of you are morons. Stockton is one of the greatest guards to ever play the game, as well as Malone. Stockton has the most assists in NBA History with a majority of them going to the #2 All-time scorer in NBA history— Karl Malone. Karl Malone also made the All-Star team 14 times and was First Team All-NBA 11 straight years, an NBA record. To put Stockton’s 15,806 mark in perspective, consider that two-time MVP Steve Nash has averaged double-figure assists for 4 straight seasons and that if he does it twice more, then at the age of 36, he’ll be halfway to Stockton’s record. (thank you John Hollinger of ESPN). To say that Stockon and Malone are not acknowledged as some of the greatest players of all time is a joke. For hell sakes they basically own the copyrights to the pick and roll.

Jared on June 08, 2009 said:

We need Boozer to leave either by walking or a sign-and-trade. If he stays, we will just be waiting for the end of the year for his cap space to clear out. (Kinda like we are doing with AK for the next 2 years) The worst part of it is that if he stays, none of the team will actually believe we can win, (except possibly D-WIll), and we will loose Millsap. Most frustrating is that Boozer is a leader personality, but doesn’t show up in the game. I think that his dominating personality prevents other Jazzmen from stepping up and being more of a leader.

eddy on June 09, 2009 said:

Brian Mcann and Nelson- I know that Malone had some impressive stats. But I wonder if you were around while he was still playing. There actually used to be a betting pool on which playoff game Malone would choke in. He was constantly whining about Utah and complaining about the fans. Without Stockton he would have been mediocre at best… as demonstrated by his stint with the Lakers. Do you remember when he blew the all-star game? http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-1048920.html or how he fathered a baby with a 13 year old when he was in college then dodged responsibility.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Malone I Know it may not have to do with his b-ball talent but it didn’t help the teams image.

eddy on June 09, 2009 said:

oh yeah, AND HE NEVER WON A TITLE!!!

Brian McCann on June 09, 2009 said:

Jared- Millsap isn’t going anywhere, even if Booz stays. Worst case scenerio, Booz doesn’t opt out, and the Jazz trade either Booz or AK by the deadline.

tman11 on June 09, 2009 said:

milsap isn’t goin any where just get rid of booze get these young kids some time. If i see booze in a jazz jersey next year i’m going to be really disappionted he isn’t even that great. sure he can put up decent numbers but he is inconsistant and, always hurt. We are paying him millions to not do much at all it’s crazy

Mesa-Ak47 on June 10, 2009 said:

Eddy?? What the hell are you trying to prove honestly?? First of course Malone is not going to be the same player he was when he went to LA at THE END OF HIS CAREER. Please tell me what the hell are you trying to say about karl malone? he is one of the best power forwards of all time and the BEST ONE WITHOUT A RING NO DOUBT. You need to watch more basketball and then try to say something about Malone or Stockton. just stop embarrassing yourself. Boozer needs to go!! bring in new players i am tired of a guy who is going to play less than half of the season every year and not do defense at all. Bring in a big man and some defense.

Wallys on June 10, 2009 said:

Seriously, everyone knows john stockton as the best point guard ever. Even in other countries!

tman11 on June 10, 2009 said:

Woah woah woah best ever? Ummmmm sorry but to be the best ever you have to have a little thing called a championship ring. Magic Johnson is the best piont guard hell i would agrue the best player the ever play the game. John was amazing i don’t know any one in the league right now that will beat his assist record it’s crazy. But he isn’t a winner he couldn’t get his team to win a finals that’s why he isn;t the best ever. You never a championship to even be thought of as the best. Also outside of Bill Russel i don’t know anther player that was better then Magic was even micheal jordan i really don’t believe he holds any thing against Bill and Magic.

Jazzfanforever on June 11, 2009 said:

We need to get rid of Boozer period.
It would be nice if the Jazz could get Ron Artest, Chris Anderson or
Chris Bosh would be awesome, we could also go for Lamar Odom(that would be awesome)
We need to get Brevin and some of those guys who never play
off the team.
I still believe the Jazz can be a great team next year and i love the way that Jerry Sloan plays the game, the Jazz play the game the right way. We just need more guys who have heart and that want to win and win championships. I see that in Deron and Kyle Korver all the time and they’re always playin with all they got. More of that and some trades here and there and we can be really good! GO JAZZ!

tman11 on June 11, 2009 said:

Did you just say Korver plays with all he gots i disagree with that I don’t see what people like about korver he has a shot that went down alot this last year. what else does he got let him go to and lets see what almonds got. you don’t get rid of your player that aren’t getting time if your the jazz. you get rid of the ones that didn’t paly great this year Say good by to CJ Booze Brevin for sure. and i would think Fez to but i’m not sure i think there is potentail there and, he is going to show it one day. I also know he screwed up last year came back to camp over wieghtand all that so i would say let him go to. Try to get a guy like Anderson here i wouldn’t go for Bosh he kind of has made it Clear he wants to play for the knicks so you would have him for one year and that would be it. Get a guy that will stick around at least for 3 years.

eddy on June 13, 2009 said:

MESA-AK47… To answer your question “what the hell are you trying to say about Karl Malone”, its this: We shouldn’t try to build a team around a Whiny power forward. We tried that in the past and it never quite got us there. As for your reference to his time with the Lakers, you’re right, it was at the end of his career and you can’t expect him to be the same. But again even during his short time with the Lakers he caused drama and Whined alot. I realize Malone had some great stats. But he wasn’t the leader that could take his team to a title. You can see this if you look at his numbers, over his career He shot .516 in the regular season which is great but his post season % is sharply lower at .418 in the playoffs.

Back to the topic of this article: I think the Author, Tim Gittins, makes some very valid (if not hilarious) points. Boozer must go if the Jazz want a chance at building a team that can compete at the top levels.

tman11 on June 13, 2009 said:

whats that bit about Karl malone not being a good leader? You really think karl wasn’t a good leader, i think he was an amazing leader. He just wasn’t a MJ leader but to to many people were. Jordan was an amazing player and an amazing leader that is why the jazz never could get ovet that hump. Not to mentionthe lakers with robert and derik two of the most cluch players to ever play. A shag in his prime and a young kobe, you had all these teams with amazing ballers. Thats why we never could win a championship it had nothing to do with Karl being a bad leader. Karl wasn’t whinny Karl was demanding he wanted the ball i wish the jazz now days had more palyers like that. Epecially a guy like Karl i mean if you go t him the ball it was over I would be very mad if he didn’t get upset about getting the ball or getting more help aournd him to win a championship. He had all the right in the world to say every thing he did he earned that right.
Until boozer can be that dominate he has no room to talk, he has to shut his mouth and play ball instead of bitch about money. Or even last a full season please just get rid of him. As far as fitting into a jazz system i’ll give him this no other power forward fits better with the jazz in the league right now. Unless you are going for a guy like tim duncan. Booze fits a jarry sloan system way well but, he can’t play a full season and whines all the time let the man go.

Brandi on June 17, 2009 said:

I agree that Karl Malone had a strong physical presence on the floor. But having been a die hard Jazz fan for 2 and a half decades, I have to disagree with the the statement about him being a “great leader”. During those years (the Stockton Malone era) it became apparent that Stockton was the one that lead the team. John Stockton was the one that set the pace of the game, set up the plays, and kept the opponents guessing. He also kept the team focused on basketball by never being involved in off-court drama. He simply showed up and played excellent ball and never bitched. It is doubtful that Malone would have been able to put up the numbers he did without Stockton. Not only because of Stockton’s assisting skills but because Stockton set a high standard of work ethic. Boozer would probably have better numbers and maybe even a better work ethic if he had a leader like Stockton. But then again, players like Boozer have a way of dragging a whole team down with them. BOOZER MUST GO!!!

tman11 on June 18, 2009 said:

Wait woah you actually think Karl wasn’t a leader there are diffrent kind of leaders. Stokton may have lead by example but, Karl lead by him mouth he would really the jazz. When we were down and though out the whole season. He even lead by example I don’t see how John was really a leader he just came in did his job and, went home. It takes more then just showing up to be a leader Karl was the hands down leader f the jazz back in the glory days of the jazz.
Agreed though boozer needs to get the hell out of utah.

coco on June 22, 2009 said:

ya well lets stop talking about stockton and malone and talk about boozer th e loozer we need to trade him for chris bosh then get a defensive re bounding big man in th e draft!!!!

tman11 on June 22, 2009 said:

there is a lot of things wrong with what you just said buddy. One they won’t be able to trade booze, unless he takes his player option. Two not a chance in hell would toronto do that trade. Boozer has nothing on chris they wouldn’t do that trade no matter how much the jazz would love that maybe if you did booze and okur. Behind KG and Howard Chris is the best big man in the league Booze isn’t even top 8. Why is every one set on a big man in this draft?. we have Kosta Okur wants to come back and i’m sure he will. Milsap, Tomic and, Big Fes. you got 5 guys that can play either power or, center give them a chance. Get a piont gaurd or best talent aviable. There is two big men if they got i would be happy but they are second round chioces any ways. You are in big time need of a bck of piont guard go out and get one.

Jared on June 22, 2009 said:

tman did we watch the same playoff series vs the Lakers this year? You think we were killed because of our backup PG play? I don’t get it. Kobe and the Lakers bigs murdered us in the playoffs this year. I think that almost all of us figure that either Boozer or Millsap is gone, and hopefully it is Boozer. That leaves us with a need for either a starting PF or a backup PF, but even if they both stayed we can’t handle the Lakers down low game. The one position that we dominated was the PG. Spending a lot of time on a backup PG just tells me that there really wasn’t any bigs that had any talent at all, because another backup PG wont win us the Lakers series. Honestly, I feel that Ronnie Price is a good backup PG. If we would have played him more and Knight less, I believe that our team would have played better. Most people want us to get another big because they saw a series that exposed our bigs. With Okur out and Boozer only showing up for 1 in 5, we have a glaring weakness at the PF. I hope that they do something about it this off season.

tman11 on June 22, 2009 said:

Yeah we watched the same playoff game and every time Knight was in we went for riding a high note to barely staying in the game. As far as are bigs go we have most likely 4 guys on the team next year thats going to be 7 feet or taller. With Kosta Fes Okur and, if they bring him over Tomic who we drafted last year. Now Kosta and Okur can keep with the bigs and , let’s see what Fes can do comin off the bech with Milsap why do you want more bigs when you have 2 guys that play that position very well and 2 that haven’t gotten a chance to prove them selfs? Keep the bigs we have now. You can’t afford to loose a step when Dwill is out of the game that’s why you draft a PG in this situtation. We don’t know what’s going to be of Ronny Price any way Jerry has made it clear by bench him the last two year he doesn’t like him. Now I now after game 5 of LA he said he made a mistake but, e still doesn’t like his style to much he made that obvisous. So why don’t you draft a PG that Jerry like and get a big in the second round?
Your draft picks aren’t goin to play this year any ways. Tyler will get drafted and spend this year and maybe the next down in the Dleague like almond and Kosta this year. A draft pick isn’t going to help out the jazz at all this year look for a long term affect. That’s why you get a piont guard this year. You have 3 or 4 big guys that haven’t even got a shot to prove them slefs see what they can do this year let your piont guard sit on the bench like all are draft picks and, If the big guys we have don’t work out you draft anther one next year

tman11 on June 22, 2009 said:

We all know that we lost alot of are game last year because are second string went in and, lost a step or two in the game when are second string came in. That’s a piont gaurds fault we need a guy to go in with are second string and set the tempo. I would even like a 2 gaurd that can play both 1 and 2 that way you can get him a lot of minutes if he tunrs out to be a stub up at this level. The guy I love at 20 is Nando De Colo. If you are just a sub par fan you haven’t heard much about him. But he is a true piont guard at 6′5, so he can back up Dwill there and play some at the two if he is any good because of his size. It works with jerry very well cause he has to go one more year in france before coming over here to play. So he can develope over there and come over next year and, be ready to paly. instead of sitting on the side lines watching all this year

coco on June 22, 2009 said:

dude we dont need a point gaurd give ronnie price a chance sloan he has done fine backing up dwill he just needs to work on his shot a little bit. and hes got hops remember when he swated luke walton or when he was on the kings and dunked on carlos boozer dunk of the century! we need a big man for sure, sure we got 7 footers but they cant play d we need guys to match up with the lakers and other big man teams i know the draft sucks this year except for blake griffen but lets see what we do.

tman11 on June 23, 2009 said:

How do you know they can’t play D we haven’t even seen half of are 7 footers play? He hasn’t done great backing up Dwill, he was doing great he would of had the job by now. He has had two years to prove him self and apartently Ronny hasn’t because Sloan is still bringing diffrent guys in to back up Dwill. The thing about ronny to is he isn’t a piont gaurd he is a small two gaurd you can’t have a two runnin the show at piont i’m sorry you need a true piont to handlethat job. Epecailly in a jerry sloan system.

Brandi on June 23, 2009 said:

Coco- you are exactly right. I guess it is easy for us long time Jazz fans to get hung up on the whole Stockton-Malone thing. But those days are gone and we should be focused on the team we have now.

Jared- Good call on the PG, there is not an issue there. we need a big that can play and can lead.

tman11- Are you sure its the Jazz you’ve been watching?

Eddy on June 23, 2009 said:

You’re right Brandi, Some of us have a hard time leaving the Stockton Malone years behind. I guess some of us are living in the past when the Jazz had a chance. It can be tough to watch these days What do you think the chances of the Jazz picking up a good Power Forward and do you think they should recruit established talent or develop a young player into the Sloan system?

Derrick Daye on June 23, 2009 said:

Brandi & Eddy, it’s nice to see you two getting along so well. We know you’re the same person with one IP Address. Spare us and stick to one name please.

Derrick

coco on June 24, 2009 said:

Hey tman i didnt say ronnie price was great i said quote “He has done fine backing up dwill” end quote i said he does fine they just need to give him a chance and it is looking like everyone is agreeing with me sorry man. if we give the 7 footers a chance we will start losing games give them thier time to shine in the d league if they do good pull them up and then see how they do i like koufous and fes but i dont think they are very good.

tman11 on June 24, 2009 said:

I don’t care if every one agrees with you on this subject cause every one that does is wrong about it. Your whole game runs thru your piont gaurd he sets every thing up he runs the tempo he does every thing. Ronyy i s a great player but he isn’t a piont gaurd he can’t set every thing up and, be a leader out on the court that’s why they need to draft a piont guard. Your not going to loose game by give these big guys a chance. You will win alot more games. The reason why every one is agreeing with you is they are seeing this draft as a quick fix but, what you don’t realize is two things. One this draft class isn’t that strong especially thing big guys out side of blair tabeet and giffin your not going to get much. That’s why you take the best talent wich is a gaurd. The second reason is jerry doesn’t play his rookies. we are going to draft a big and he is goin to be in morris alomonds situtation. Barried on the bench because they is so much talent in front of him and, it’s going to be a waste of a pick..It wont matter how good he is jerry will give the guys that know the offence and have more NBA experience wich will be kosta and, kez at the time. So we will have anther guyt where we wont know his potentail cause he wont see the floor. Atleast at guard he will be able to get a shot and, prove him self.

Jared on June 25, 2009 said:

tmann, I generally agree with you, but on Ronnie Price I just disagree. Is he anywhere close to D-Will, no and he is never going to be. What he does give you is speed and energy off the bench. Whenever Knight went into the game, the game got slow. I guess my point is that whether we stick with Ronnie Price or pick a guard, I want them to be high energy and up-tempo. If we go into next season and play a slow half court game, we wont even make the playoffs next year.

When we had Stockton and Malone we could half court other teams to death, because we had two unstoppable players running the pick and roll, which for them was unstoppable. With our current team, we don’t have that. We have D-Will and he is creative enough off the dribble to be close to unstoppable, but after that we fall apart on offense. We are literally out-manned at every other position. When our offense is moving quick, our guys know where they are supposed to be and we can get them the ball quickly and they can get behind the defense, but when we slow it down, we become predictable, and other teams with more defensive talent smother our offense.

But this brings me to your other point which I think is spot on. If we draft a big man at 20th in the draft, he isn’t ever going to play for the Jazz next year. Like it or not (and I fall into the not category) Jerry Sloan’s system is death to rookies. D-Will didn’t even get that much playing time the first half of his rookie year. This means that we have currently 3 players who we have no idea how good they are. (Fes, Koufos, Almond) And lets face it, if even one of those guys had blossomed last year because he got enough minutes to get his NBA legs, we would all have a much different perspective on what the Jazz needed from this draft. In my opinion this puts us in a loose – loose situation. We have unproven, unplayed players that could make our team drastically better, and we are heading into a draft to fill holes we may already have filled. Personally, I think that it is a coaching problem. Jerry hasn’t changed the way he plays his guys since we had John and Karl, but our needs have changed. I don’t think any or our untested players are the caliber of Stockton or Malone, but you basically have to be the caliber of one of those guys or D-Will to get any rookie playing time. For me all that means is that whoever we draft will sit the bench and maybe get some D-League time, but unless they blossom in a ridiculously short amount of time, they will never get a real chance in a Jazz uniform, and if makes me sick.

Sorry for the length of this rant, the off-season is just not going quick enough for me.

tman11 on June 25, 2009 said:

Hey I’m a fan for speeding up the game. It killed me when every time brevin was it the pace slowed right down. It hurt are defence cause they decided to play it safe and, not go for steal when he was in the game and, it hurt are offence we basically had 4 guys playing when he was in. I mean what did Knight really do AK brought the ball down, AK called out the play and, the other three ran. the play. AK was a re piont gaurd when Brevin was in. I just really don’t think Ronny is the answer at the piont gaurd spot. He doesn’t make smart decisions he has never been a true piont gaurd. He is to much of a loose cannon he and, he can’t control the other 4 guys on the court or the tempo of the game.
That’s why I want to see the jazz draft a piont gaurd. I wish we still had Dee Brown i think we mad a mistake with that guy. He could do all those thing Ronny can’t do. With your big men nmow having the potental to either make or break your team I think is all the more reason the draft a piont gaurd. All the talent in this draft beside a hand full of big men are guards so take the most talent in this draft. Let’s see if are big men will make or break us. We got one more big man coming over here this year any ways with Tomic. he’s like a rookie, I also wouldn’t mind if we pick up a guy like heytvelt or Nevil in the second. But with the first pick I really feel we need to address the guard position. I was thinking more on the lines of a combo guard that way we can get him in a few year if Almond doesn’t produce. I don’t think he will he is way to passive up on this level and, if you had a guy that can back up Dwill and Brewer you would be set for a long time.

coco on June 28, 2009 said:

ya weell we got rid of alot of good guyys like dee brown mo williams raja bell and many others coaching problem

tman11 on June 28, 2009 said:

Well Raja wanted to leave and, I’m a firm believer if some one doesn’t want to be here get out of here then. Mo and Dee I can;t see cause they saw the talent there but still got rid of them. If you think about it though if we didnt get rid of Mo We wouldn’t have Dwill so i guess it was a good thing. Don’t blame it on coaching though that’s front office problems Kevin O Coner problems he gets the players. So if your going to blame some one put it on him