Boozer Over Millsap: What You Gain

Posted by Johnathan Kendrick on July 10, 2009
Johnathan Kendrick


I know what you are thinking. The only thing you gain by taking Boozer over Millsap is a fractured locker room and an inflated bill from the rehab center. Maybe a T-Mobile or Verizon sponsorship if the national television broadcasts can catch an injured Boozer texting away on the bench. Now that the rumors are out about Boozer on the trade block and Millsap has an offer from Portland for the Jazz to match – be careful what you wish for. Having said that, I know most of you will disagree with what I am about to blog, but I am going to blog it anyway.

I’ll keep this easy reading and not break it down stat geek style (Keep in mind that I could). In fact I am only going to use one single week as evidence. The week of March 22nd the Jazz had 3 games. Home against Houston, at Phoenix, and finishing with Phoenix again – this time at home. They won the home games and barley dropped the game in Phoenix. Over a five day span – Yao Ming and Shaq leaned, pushed, shoved, and did everything physically legal to gain an advantage on Memo Okur and Carlos Boozer on both ends of the floor. I remember watching these guys up close – and they were spent. Shaq and Yao had given their all and Boozer and Okur held them back. The big men were dragging by games end.

Bottom line is Millsap could not have stood in there the way Boozer did, logging major minutes at power forward and at center. It would have forced Memo to do it all on his own, which would have killed his offensive game – or given cause for Collins and Fesenko to spend an extra 15 minutes on the court, putting the Jazz at an offensive disadvantage and dropping all three of these games.

Had the Jazz lost those three games – and don’t kid yourself, without Boozer they would have -that would have been it, they would have not made the playoffs. Take Boozer out for that one week and the Jazz would not have been a playoff team. Numbers show Millsap and Boozer are similar defenders – that may be more a product of the system than the players. Boozer may be injury prone but he is also bigger, stronger, and more polished on the offensive end. I like Paul Millsap and think he is a better fit for the community off the court – but Boozer will win the Jazz more games. Last time I checked that’s really what counts. Isn’t it?

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52 Comments

robert on July 10, 2009 said:

I have to agree with you. As much as I hate Boozer getting hurt all the time, he still puts up 20 points and 10 rebounds a game. With a jumper that not all power forwards have. Paul Millsap is good don’t get me wrong, but he wouldn’t be able to put up those type of numbers nor will he be a go-to guy at the end of the game like Williams, Okur, or Boozer.

bobby on July 10, 2009 said:

millsap is a far dependable player, not a headcase in the locker room. you need to get ur head together and realize this ! i been followin booze for too long and he always disapears when u need him. besides, he dont want to play here! he made his bed and now he needs to lay in it!

josh on July 10, 2009 said:

Lets be the first to say that I think Paul has alot of potential but Boozer is proven…(Injury prone and does not play any defense I know) but we all saw what paul did with starter minutes… not to count him out playing starter minutes but he should let paul go elswhere unless we can trade booz. Why does sloan not play price at the backup 1 and have ak start, let him earn his money, we all saw how great he did starting. If sloan played AK, he would be my number 1 priority staying. he can play the 3 to the 5 and keep up. This game is about a team not “All-stars” like booz, when is deron going to get the all-star spot he deserves???? One of the biggest snubs that I can remember, he makes the jazz a playoff contendeder!!!

Blake on July 10, 2009 said:

The only defense Carlos Boozer knows is dominating the boogers in his nose as the other bigs take it to the hole and the problem is that all Boozer does is STAND in the way of players and not actually trying, which is what Millsap does.

Steven on July 10, 2009 said:

Yeah but Boozer was the problem in the first place. When Boozer was hurt Milsap got in there and took care of business the Jazz where on a 12 game winning streak and where at the top 4 in the West. Then Carlos Boozer returned and everything went wrong. Because of Boozer the Jazz dropped several key road games. I have seen Milsap do a great job on Shaq and we all know how great Fess did against Yao. The Jazz are better off without Boozer and Boozer would do a fantastic job in Chicago. I still like the Thomas for Boozer trade. It will allow the Jazz to keep the better PF on the team and it will give Jerry a new young PF that he can start training to become an all star. Milsap earned his pay Boozer is the one that wasn’t consistent in his job. Im not going to just blame Boozer for this failure of a season. Ronnie Price got screwed. Brevin Knight was terrible I see why he has been all over the NBA no one wants him. I think he’s a really nice guy but not what we need in a basketball player. So I say the Jazz should bring Milsao back and give Ronnie P some playing time then we will see who the Western kings are.

pavel arellano on July 10, 2009 said:

i would take boozer over millsap, cuz boozer can shoot the ball with both hands and that makes him really hard to be defended…. i hardly ever see millsap shooting the ball, he always goes for the dunk..

tman11 on July 10, 2009 said:

That’s if Jerry starts him hell to me AK can play 1 to 5 he’s like a kevin garnett and, can paly every where on the court. That’s the reason I like him with the jazz. BUt we have made it clear we want Boozer out of here I think the deal with Chicago will go down. I hope it’s not the deal with Detiort I don’t like RIp for Boozer at all. It’s just sits down Brewer and, brewer to me is a better palyer then Rip is. But i do like Thomas I think he has tons of potentail and, could be better then Boozer is. There is you Chris Bosh on the jazz just a Diffrent name Tyrus Thomas.

tman11 on July 10, 2009 said:

I would take Tyrus Thomas over both Milsap and, Boozer. Between those two Boozer wins hands down though. Milsap will run into the same problems as Boozer is. When Milsap started he could only go 18 games until he got hurt. He just isn’t big enough to play the style he plays. Boozer has a shot height and size, John is right with this article You loose alot more if you keep Milsap over Boozer. Boozer if he can stay healthy is an all-star Milsap will never have that status.
But since they might be trading for Thomas then yeah you gain alot more. Tyrus is anther KG or Chris bosh or, Amre in the near future. He can run the court he has a decent shot he plays defence. A one two punch with him and, Paul might be just what the jazz need. Thomas is going to be a great player I was excited when I heard this trade was in the works i hope it goes thru.

Anthony Clawson on July 10, 2009 said:

OK first of all I have never BLOGGED in my life. This is what I think, “FIRST OF ALL”… BOOZER is not a long-term player… BOOZER could give a crap less (OBVIOUSLY) about future of the UTAH JAZZ!!! Millsap on the other hand is an up and coming star and I think he has the “PERFECT“ home. MILLSAPP is a fine tuned weapon for Deron Williams. But that`s not the only weapon Williams has for instance… Korver, Okur, Miles, BREWER and possibly Tyrus Thomas which is the explosiveness and the defense that we need and in my opinion a “PERFECT” fit for the UTAH JAZZ!!! On “PAPER” yeah boozer is better… But not a “PERFECT” fit (OBVIOUSLY) for the UTAH JAZZ.

tsitodawg on July 11, 2009 said:

I was excited years ago when Boozer first came over to the Jazz and was known as a defensive low post player. Now after years of defending him to family and friends I am done with him. On paper Boozer does look good and he really has his moments when he is great, but that does not make up for the crap in the middle. You can can put whip cream on a turd but it is still a turd. Boozer has not and will never admit that this Deron Williams team. Back in the day with Malone and Stockton there were 2 real leaders but Boozer is a leader on camera and not in play or example. When he first came I was so impressed with his work ethic and thought that maybe his number would be in the rafters one day, but then the injuries piled up and here we are. He and his wife became more enamored with the NBA lifestylee and the awards that he forgot what a blessing it is for him to play the game for a living. Many players don’t want to come here because of preconceived notions about the state and the hard style of play, but in reality the Jazz organization is a team that you must be a special kind of person and player to stick. This is the first time in my whole life as a Jazz fan that I truly feel let down and almost offended by a player that I really thought I knew a lot about. He could have had a great career here, but in reality pride took over. So you want to compare Boozer to Millsap. It is simple Boozer yells while Millsap plays defense without saying a word. He lets his play do the speaking for him and it is paying off. I know that Boozer’s yelling on defense is not effective because everytime he yells I yell to give him double the defense and the player still scores. Sad but then again he is not the first person from Alaska to give up on their job.

BenC on July 11, 2009 said:

In my opinion, (and I hope I’m wrong) I think it’s all about money with both these guys. I’m not sure Millsap OR Boozer really care if they play for the Jazz or not. They just want the best deal they can find. Neither player has really convinced me that they enjoy or want to play here. Here is some of why I think this way.

Millsap played his heart out all last season because he was the least payed player on the team. He wasn’t even making a million a year. He also played harder and pushed himself to the limits largely in part because he’s a smaller PF. Now he has established some cred and he wants his moneys worth.

Boozer didn’t seem to give it his all most of the time. My theory is that he was (is) afraid of injury. He has spent the majority of the last 2 seasons injured. This makes him more timid, especially on defense. He is an all-star caliber player and the more time he spends injured, the less marketable he is. And the more time he spends off the court, the less “in-sync” he is with the rest of the team when he is on the court. Now in the last year of his contract, he has to play better and smarter so he can get a better contract and repair some lost cred by the end of next season.

All in all, I feel Boozer (when healthy) is the better player than Millsap. As far as this coming season goes, keeping Boozer is a better choice than putting up tons of money for a smaller PF (Millsap). I really think we will be just fine if we lose Millsap, as much as I don’t really want to. I like the Thomas-Boozer trade. I even like a possible Oberto-Boozer trade. But if it doesn’t happen AND we lose Paul, we have Collins, Kosta, Fes, AK, and now Suton that can rotate in and out of the PF position if we really have to.

Just my thoughts. A lot can change and I hope I’m wrong on some things.

lew23 on July 11, 2009 said:

Millsap is better than boozer if he were to be the starter all year he ould have led the league in double doubles. Boozer can shoot better but Millsap has improved and is going to continue to improve. HE is so much tuffer than booz he plays harder and he competes. Him Dwill and Harpring are Probally the Tuffest guys in the league. He deserves a pay raise and deserves to be a starter. I think a line up of Dwill, brewer tyrus thomas, millsap, ohur would be awesome. Maybe trade Harpring for an atheletic 2 guard that can bomb 3’s like anthney parker or araon affalio. or even dequan cook gerald green.

Miroslawa Sochman on July 11, 2009 said:

Keep Milsap – definitely.He is the future of our team.Don’t allow him to go to Portland.

DG on July 11, 2009 said:

A. Clawson is ‘right on” with his/her analysis. Mr. O’Connor, we implore you to make the right move and keep Paul in a Jazz uniform. Best all around move for sure. And as noted w/ other blogs. AK needs some pt to earn his $, and Ronnie P is the man we need backing DWill. Nothing but good comes from this effort. Go Jazz.

tman11 on July 11, 2009 said:

I can see why jazz fans feel Milsap is better but, he isn’t even on the same level as Boozer it’s impoossible for him to be. Boozer is biiger, taller, has a better shot and, gets more rebounds. Milspa plays his ass off and, palys better defence but, theyare both injury prone. If you are expecting Milsap to be a future star in this league you are expecting way to much of him and, he is going to let you down. Milsap will be a solid 6th man for the rest of his career he can’t play starter minute like Boozer can. With that said you future star or atleast starting power forward is going to be either Kosta or, tyrus. Depnding if they make the trade or not Milsap will be backing one of those two guys up next season.

BIGshow on July 11, 2009 said:

ya boozer may have stats over milsap but milsap actually tries his best. boozer SUCKS at defense and that is whats hurting utah. if you notice we are one of the top scoring teams in the NBA. but we also are one of the top teams that let teams score against us. so for utah to winthey need good defensive players. boozer just GIVES UP and lets the other team run by.

JayD on July 11, 2009 said:

Why not keep them both . I think that they will pay the Luxary Tax to keep them both here , at least for the next season . I know that Boozer has been hurt alot , but I think that he is definatley a All-Star if he can stay healthy . I have to agree with the comment about him being afraid to get hurt again . I know all about that feeling . When you get seriuosly hurt then you are always going to be afraid to do something to make it happen again . That is what is called being human .
I think that Boozer knows that he has to have a very good year to get a good contract next season , whether it is here or somewhere else .
I really like Milsap to because he has played his heart out for us . I think that he is a key part of our bench .
As far as it being just money to them , I have to say that isnt the money thing amongst all the players in any sport ? I am ok with that as long as they return it back to the fans in how they present themselves in all they do , whether on the court or off . I think that the Jazz have been lucky to not have any of the problems other teams have with their players .
I myself would like to see what our current team can do when they play the whole season together .
I also agree we need to keep Price the back-up to D-Will this season , he brings alot of energy to the bench .
Anyway that is my take .
Go Jazz !!!!!!
Jay

tman11 on July 11, 2009 said:

This year he did and, I would have to he was nervus about getting hurt againt duh. In year passed though he palyed just as good of D as Milsap did he was better he threw guys around Milsap can’t muscle up to guys like Boozer can. How can you even argue this fact Boozer is betthands down there is nothing to argue about here

Jenn Sokia on July 11, 2009 said:

Sorry but I disagree with this blog. I think the most important part of an athlete is heart. Boozer doesn’t have heart. He doesn’t even care about a championship- he only cares about money. He is a cancer to the Jazz and has only proven to be no good for our team. Sure he played well for that week, but it takes SO much more. We need someone we can count on for a season (or longer), not for a week. Milsap has a lot of growing to do but I would gladly take him over Boozer anyday because at least we would lose fighting with all we’ve got. I think the fans get most disappointed when the Jazz didn’t give it all they’ve got.

Adam on July 11, 2009 said:

disapear like he did in game 4 robert? 20 and 20? millsap is a good role player but nothing more hes not worth the contract portland is giving him i would love millsap here but not for 36 million.. if boozer wants out then **** him trade him but dont sit here and tell me that millsap can fill in he cant shoot and once teams actually paid attention to him he got shut down… maybe if horny could somehow teach him how to shoot i would agree that millsap could take boozers spot

Adam on July 11, 2009 said:

boozer is a great rebounder and scores with both hands like theyre his natural… hes a rare player and a damn good one the only other PF i would want in a jazz uni is amare or karl coming out of retirement

Adam on July 11, 2009 said:

no one plays good D on the jazz and our defensive scheme is ridiculous… leave the shooter in the corner to double like nba players cant see he’s wide open… they need to trade ak for maggette or t mac i dont care just get rid of him! he is terrible.

JJ Kalob on July 11, 2009 said:

THIS IS BULL! Boozer is the best pure power forward in the west but he is not the player tough guy Millsap is. Millsap will eat someone to get that rebound while Boozer goes over the back or waits for the ball to come to him! Now Millsap puts up around 8-15 points a game Boozer puts up 15-30, Millsap gets just as much rebounds as Boozer. I’d rather have rebounds then points becuase we have THE BEST point gaurd in the league. What if we got rid of Boozer to Chicago and got Tyrus Thomas to come off the bench that will clear up some space to get Millsap. Ronnie Brewer is athletic and likes to run the floor D-Will keeps up with him but its just those two guys. If we got Thomas there would be three guys running along side together. Comment and see what you think!

tman11 on July 11, 2009 said:

I’m sorry for who ever said trade for Corey or Tmac. You sit there and, talk about we need a defender neither of thos guys play defence come on now. If you want a defender trade for Chris Anderson Tyrus thomas Tyson chandler those three guys play defence not Tmac or Corey. Tmac and Corey are scorers they don’t play D sure they come up with a few defensive plays but, they don’t play defence for 48 minutes they are to worried about there pionts.
As far as the heart being the best part of an athlet that’s of course not true. Heart isn’t the best part of an athlet if that was the caseI would be in the NBA right now. Boozer has mostly every thing over Milsap I don’t know why some fans can’t see that. If it’s that hard for you to see open your eyes. He can score with both hands that right there has Milsap beat but, then he can also pull down rebounds the Milsap can’t get to he is a hell of a lot stronger then Milsap he has a nice 20 foot jumper that Milsap doesn’t have. Do you guys even watch jazz games honestly. I think you people just see what a grea guy he is off the court and, how well he fits in here and, fall head over heels for the guy. Boozer is hands down the better player he has things that Milsap just nver could develope. and his game has shown that. I mean come on he has been in the laague for 3 years now still now outside shot it shows he will never get it if he hasn’t gotten it by now. using both hands is anther thing Milsap just wont develope. Now don’t get me wrong i love Milsap but, if you are comparing him to boozer there is only two things he has on him and, that hussle and, a little bit better on defence. I would question that one ton cause Milsap can’t muscle up guys like Boozer can he is a force inside and, makes his presents felt. but i will give Milsap hussle. That is the only thing he has on Boozer.

J R Stewart on July 11, 2009 said:

Boozer can be a beast on the court offensively, a defensive liability and a public relations nightmare.

I’m not sure if his public image and ego can be rehabilitated for successful season. I doesn’t sound like the Jazz are wanting him back and would like to trade him.

Yet, at this point, Boozer is the better player, just too high a salary.

This will be extremely interesting to see how the Jazz finally deal with the toxic Millsap offer.

Jazzaholic

tman11 on July 11, 2009 said:

That’s the only reason i hope they don’t deal with Milsap that offer is way to much to be paying Milsap he is a god player but he isn’t worth the offer that Portland put up for him. Please KOC cut are losses an, trade Boozer for some one decent Kosta can put up just as good of number if not better then Paul can.

Bobby on July 12, 2009 said:

If the Blazers get Milsap it is all hype because Kevin Pritchard would not spend anywhere upwards of 7 mil on a back up power forward without first having a bait and switch plan in place or Prtchard is eyeing a player that may be available at the trade deadline next all star weekend or with the big names that will be available in the 2009-10 free agency next year..

If the Jazz fans wait and see this is all a part of a bigger plan, you will understand quite clearly that the player that the Blazers want is not Milsap at all but a different player. According to the Portland Trail Blazers Blogs, KP (PTB GM Kevin Pritchard) is signing Milsap to the offersheet because this allows US, The Blazers, (Yes I’m a Trail Blazers Fan) to use this situation to our advantage and have the upperhand in any deal on the table. Boozer puts up solid numbers and according to you fans, is a cancer eating away at the team, only cares about money, and is turd without the whipped cream!!!

As far as integrity and character are concerned the Blazers seek players that fit the mold, culture, surrounded by exceptional values. If Milsap fits those criteria than we will take him any day of the week. Personally, from what I read on both sides of the spectrum, the jazz blogs and the blazer blogs, I would have to conclude that both teams have fans of Milsap now that he is in the spotlight. It ought to be interesting to see where Milsap ends up, on the Blazers as a back up to Lamarcus Aldridge. If Boozer goes in a sign and trade then Milsap will fill Boozers role quite nicely as he demonstrated last season.

Respectfully,

One of millions of Blazers fans

DallinT on July 12, 2009 said:

It seems to me that Portland only signed Millsap this offer sheet because they want to get back at somebody for their Darius Miles blunder. Hey don’t punish us–it was all Memphis!

robert on July 12, 2009 said:

Adam – Boozer is the one who carries us throughout the regular season to actually GET to the playoffs. Him and WIlliams. The WHOLE JAZZ TEAM DISAPPEARED IN THE PLAYOFFS!!! Not just Boozer. It’s a team game adam.

Colby on July 12, 2009 said:

This may be true…BUT…the thing you get with setting up long term future plans with Millsap is the promise of LOYALTY, that won’t be the case with Boozer. The minute Boozers contract runs and the Jazz fail again next season he will go running off to another team chasing a ring and a bigger paycheck. The Utah Jazz are about players who stay loyal until retirement…all our players have a history of it…..and Millsap is EXACTLY that type of player and I think the Jazz realize this. That’s why they aren’t going to waste their time with boozer and try to shoot for Millsap

Colby on July 12, 2009 said:

We actually should just trade boozer and another player away for a superstar…time to get a superstar player

tman11 on July 12, 2009 said:

Nothing against you or your team Bobby. But my feeling with that chicago utah and, portland deal going thru you guys just got screwed over. My reason for saying that is now you guys are stuck paying Milsap 7 or 8 million dollars for at least one season. and he is going to get less minutes then what he was getting in utah. You guys have one of the most talents front courts in the league and, Milsap doesn’t fit into you system to well. My feeling was similiar to you they put that offer out on the table so the jazz wouldn’t drag there feet with that Chicago trade that would give you guys Kirk. But we did what we always do when there is a big trade in talk and, that is drag are feet and, not let it go thru. So now you guy can’t get you markee piont gaurd we are stuck with a power fowar that not to many jazz fas think is much good and, you guys are stuck paying a player money that could go else where and, money that he doesn’t deserve.It was a smart move by Portland but now you guys and the jazz aren’t in bad shape but, in worser shape then what we were all expecting.I would just like to say congrats on getting Paul we don’t want him back with that big of a contract we can get a better player for that kind of money. Now I just made a bunch of jazz fans mad to cause I’m not wantin us to get back Milsap but, I don’t care. He isn’t worth that much money I don’t want him back if thats hat we have to pay him.

eZAy on July 12, 2009 said:

the GREAT DEBATE. BOOZER or MILLSAP.

RCJazzFan on July 12, 2009 said:

I’ve been a Jazz fan all of my life and if there is one thing that the Jazz need right now is defensive toughness. Boozer has the potential to play mediocre defense but doesn’t. Millsap plays defense with grit and intensity. Even though Millsap is undersized he puts up a fight on the defensive end, which is one thing that Boozer lacks.

Offensivly, Boozer and Millsap both have their benifits. Boozer is a little taller, and has a very high arching jumper which can be difficult to defend. He is also very aware, and knows where he is when he is, and where the defenders are when he is around the basket. Millsap is a little bit quicker that Boozer is around the basket though. Millsap has a lot more of a face up game than boozer, and has show flashes of a good mid-range jumper. Millsap also has less of a tendency to force the offensive possesion and put up a bad shot, something that Boozer tends to do when he is given the ball in the 10-15 foot range, particularly late in the ball game.

In the rebounding department they are both equal. Both can put up 10+ boards a night.

Overall Millsap is the better player for the Jass, but only by a little. His toughness on the defensive end, patience on the offensive end, as well as the fact that he hasn’t alienated himself from his teammates by publicly saying that his will opt out of his contract no matter what, then go back on his own word (sound familar cav fans). Boozer is a great player, but is clearly not what the type of player that the Jazz need right now.

me on July 12, 2009 said:

Okay. I think Boozer is as good as he wants to be, and if he were to give it his all every game he could be almost unstopable. but thats the problem he doesn’t always give it his all, and Millsap does, but…. I’d still have to choose Boozer over Millsap, don’t get me wrong I love how hard Millsap always plays, but he just isn’t as capable as Boozer can be.
Go Jazzz

tman11 on July 12, 2009 said:

ok for one Boozer has the abilty to be a super star so trading for one when you already have one doesn’t make sense haha. BUt yes we should trade Boozer but, unless you include Dwill in the trade you are not going to get a superstar player in the league. You can get a very good player but, in no mans a super star

tman11 on July 12, 2009 said:

Rc what are you talking about Milsap has a better face up game? To me Boozer own him if you want to talk about that. Milsap has is either passing or driving but, when Boozer squares you up your not sure what he is going to do he can shoot it as well as . drive it and, pass it. you have one more thing to worry about when he squares you up. The thing about boozer when he does that to is he is better on the drive and, alot better passer then Milsap is. As far as the jazz system goes Boozer fits into alot better then Milsap. Just for you people that either are new to watching the jazz or just don’t know are offensive system we run something called the pick and role. Booze can run it Milsap can’t period end of decussion. Defesively to me it’s a tie as well. Because with a Jerry sloan system he is all about man on man over power the guy on offence. We don’t switch to zone that much at all and, Milsap plays a better zone D but, Boozer is all about man on man and, pushing guys out of his paint.Boozer is hands down the better. If he wasn’t a jackass and a cocky son of a B I would say keep him at any cost but, he is. So we need to get rid of him but, this shouldn’t even be a debate. Jazz fans are just amazed becasue of the man Milsap is, that is the only reason jazz fans are back him up. You can shoot what ever stat you want at me but, it’s a hands down fact who the better player is between the two. Boozer beats Milsap hands down.

Alex Wheeler on July 13, 2009 said:

it doesn’t matter how big you are
john stockton?
boozer is a midget compared to shaq and yao it doesn’t matter. those three games don’t mean anything.

the bottom line is boozer is one of the most talented players in the league. quick, a jumper, finishes with his left hand almost better than his right. When he’s not hurt. The thing about boozer is that he is also one of the laziest players in the league. for example, game 3 2009 first round boozer just eat the lakers alive i think he had 20 point 22 boards all because he didn’t want to go down 3-0. if boozer played that hard every game we would without a doubt would’ve beat the lakers. thats where i have a problem with Boozer

Milsap works hard every night and is VERY tough 19 double doubles in a row and would’ve had 20 if the game wasn’t a blow out.. he didn’t even play the 2nd half. Defensively he’s quick not many guys are going to get by him off the dribble, and as far as the bigger guys go you have to have help D which the jazz have none of beside deron, ronnie b, and milsap. Offensively Jerry run the same thing it’s not a secret pick and roll. MILSAP CAN run that with deron … and in my opinion he has a more consitant jump shot..

MILSAP OVER BOOZER

lance on July 13, 2009 said:

Come on you picked the worst 3 games to compare i remember those games and i specificly remember millsap defending shaq alot better then boozer did i remember millsap rejecting boozer.

this guy... on July 13, 2009 said:

definately do NOT match Millsap’s offer. he will be Portland’s guy and that is fine with me. Let’s just pickup another hustle dude like Turiaf or Lee. this is toooooo much money for Millsap. love the guy, but lets not overpay him.

Ed.. on July 13, 2009 said:

Honestly, Tman11 you are simply idioitic for comparing richard hamilton and ronnie brewer. It is by far the worst comparison of players. I would prefer a shooter on the team that can put up good numbers instead of Tyrus Thomas. To be quite honest, the Jazz would get a lot more out of having Rip than taking Thomas. Trading Boozer for Rip is by far more of a fairer deal. Because Rip still has three good years before his age becomes a tremendous concern.

Ed.. on July 13, 2009 said:

Tman11, how are you going to say that it is illogical to trade a superstar for another superstar. it would be adequate to receive a superstar in return. Regardless, I feel that boozer would be the safer keep and trading him would also help the team at the same time.

mike on July 13, 2009 said:

A superstar on one team doesnt equate to a superstar on another team. Different system will effect the play and their potential. A half court set superstar forced to run and gun will break down vice versa a run and gun player forced to play a half court set will not trive. So trades are not about sending one superstar off for another its to get the best posible player for the system. Rip is good but Thomas is much better for our system. He is a stronger defensive presence down on the post. Utah can score anytime because of our execution in fact we rank 4th in the league scoring isnt a problem its getting stops. Haven’t you noticed that our offense is driven by our defense. When we get stops we are much more effective on the offense. As with the laker games we expended too much on defense which crippled our offense thus we got our ass kicked. Defense stops will win you games.

tman11 on July 13, 2009 said:

Well for starters why did Boozer sign back on with the jazz in the first place?It’s because no one wanted him for that much money. so team are not going to want to work for one of there key guys if they don’t want to payBoozer that much if he wasn’t so injury prone you could get anter superstar for him but, the fact is he is injury prone so no one wants to deal a star palyer for Boozer. He is just a had guy to deal with other teams. Unless we deal anther star with him but, the only star we have is Dwill so that’s why i said its hard to deal Boozer to anther team.
As far as Rip goes your just stupid buddy Brewer was top ten in steals per game he is one of the most athletic shooting gaurds in the league and, we have a shooter to back him up in clutch situations with Korver. So why in the hell would you even consider dealing for Rip it doesn’t even add up Brewer is way under rated as a shooting gaurd and, is a bettr player then Rip. All rip has on him is a shot. And we are the jazz we don’t take 3 pionters any ways. We never have and, as long as Jerry is are coach we never will. the ball goes inside period. So with an offence set up for getting the ball inside I would want Brewer a guy that’s a bit bigger and, can get it inside a lot easier then Rip can. Not to mention you are also comparing some one who is 31 to some one who is 24 a person who is just getting into his prime to one starting to go down hill. Yeah I’ll take the one in his prime sorry but, you are way out in left field if you can’t compare those two.
Same with tyrus Thomas he plays better deffence he’s young he has a lot mor eup side then a guy that use to be good.There is no comparisome between those two Tyrus wins hands down. Both him and, Brewer win that, I don’t see what you see in Rip that we don’t have already honestly if we need a shooter we got Korver to come off the bench and, he is a better shooter then RIp is. As far as the rest of his game Brewer has him beat. Once again he is more athletic, plays bettr defence and, can run the court alot better. Besides shooting Brewer is the better palyer right now. Back in the day Rip was but, not now.

tman11 on July 13, 2009 said:

Mike you are my new best friend you are a fan that gets it. I have been in disagrrement with these jokers for ever and, then you come along and, say it better then me that is awsome thanks for puttin it so these punkk can understand

Dane Owens on July 13, 2009 said:

Jazz will never win a title with boozer as a main factor, do you just want to win games, or win a title. Last time I checked that’s really what counts. Isn’t it?

Jared on July 14, 2009 said:

OK, so if you actually look at the Millsap deal, it breaks down to a big ~11 million dollar first year, and then $6.2-7.2 million a year after that. In my opinion we should match it. It gives Millsap a big payday, because lets face it he has been a steal for us for the last two years at less than $1 million, and then moves forward at a sane $6-7 million a year. I think that he is worth the 6-7. Goodness, that is close to what we are paying Harpring, and Millsap contributes more than Harpring. And if you look at the deal past the first year, it would still be a good number for the Jazz.

tman11 on July 14, 2009 said:

We don’t have 11 million dollar to give him in 3 days let the man go he isn’t even that great it’s crazy how so many fans want to try and, get him back. Kosta is a better palyer then he is. That tell me we can get some one else rather then pay him money he doesn’t deserve. It’s going to be AK all over again. Over paid player that does nothing.

Jared on July 14, 2009 said:

I agree with you that Millsap isn’t great, but I think that he is a very good backup. And a good backup should be about a 4-7 million dollar player. Comparing him to AK is ridiculous. First, AK has heart issues, that Millsap isn’t ever going to have. Second, he only gets 7.2 in the final year of his contract. That is MUCH better than the 17 AK is going to get. Third, even though Millsap’s scoring goes to zero when the opposition puts a 7 footer on him, he still manages to get a crazy amount of rebounds. If I was the owner/GM I would match, but I don’t think it is a no-brainer and I wont be sad if they don’t. I will be sad if they don’t and then don’t do anything else either, so we bring back the same team minus Millsap and are in the lottery next off-season.

tman11 on July 14, 2009 said:

To be honest with you i know you will disagree with me but, to me AK is a better palyer then Milsap. He is not worth 17 million but, he is a better palyer. He is more durable and, he is more of a leader. Neither of them are worth 11 and 17 million though Paul should get about 4 or 5 and AK 6. it’s crazy how much they are going to be getting. AK I can’t see why they put that offer on the table. You just drafted AK and, picked up Boozer. You saw your future right in front of you but, you still turn around and pay him 17 million a year wow crazy and, Pual I can see kind of why but not that much cash. In my oppion they were trying to make the jazz hurry and do that 3 way trade with them and chicago so they would get Kirk but, it didn’t work out and, now they are stuck over paying Paul that 10 mill.

Alex Wheeler on July 15, 2009 said:

tman i don’t know if you watched any games
how can you say millsap can’t run the pick n roll
19 straight double doubles bro
and obviously your wrong tman because the jazz are signing Millsap so it doesn’t matter the jazz most of the time do the right thing..

tman11 on July 15, 2009 said:

I don’t know if you watched those games but, AK or Okur had to run the pick and role in those games. We changed are offense when he had to end up starting. I’m glad Milsaps gone we can see what Kosta and, Fez have now I think they can play alot better then Paul can.

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